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This chapter is all about getting Linux and installing it on your computer. It’s quite easy and can take usually from 20 to 40 minutes to get it running. Of course before installing Linux you first have to download it from the Internet or buy it in a store. Multiple ways of getting Linux will be explained here as well.

Three important facts about using Linux on desktop first:

  • GNU/Linux can be installed on the same hard drive together with other operating systems like MS Windows. Of course it can be also installed on a separate drive, as well as on other devices, even a USB stick!
  • In order to use Linux you can either install it on disk or use a Live-CD to try it live without the need for installation
  • You can download most of the Linux distributions for free from the Internet. However, there are some Linux-based systems that are not free of charge. You should first check this before installing it on your HD

You should not be afraid of installing Linux since the installation process of the most user-friendly distibutions is fairly easy even for a complete beginner. And it’s certainly easier to set up a working Linux workstation than a Windows one. In Windows you need to install multiple applications after the system itself is installed. Linux comes with most of the apps you will need for your every-day activities pre-installed and ready to use.

Still, you have to watch out when you install Linux on a hard drive with other operating system installed. Read all the installer’s instructions carefully. This way you won’t hurt yourself and your important data (which should be backed up anyway, just for caution).

And last but not least, be prepared for a long learning-curve. Linux is easy to set up but some things, like getting your WiFi adapter to work or getting some Windows-only applications to work under Linux, may be tricky and time-consuming. If you’re happy with Windows, don’t go for Linux, unless you just like troubles :)

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fold this thread eric  Monday, 30 October 2006 o godz. 3:56 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

Installing Linux is great and worked almost flawlessly with most distros ( i treid six!)
But the problems start after the initial install. lots of problems with apps that use own config files instead of a generic Linux version, as you might have expected.. Very strange and very primitive.

“If you’re happy with Windows, don’t go for Linux, unless you just like troubles” I am not very happy with windows.i.e lots of internet security related problems, and i don=’t like troubles… whats next?
The learning curve after the install of Linux is not long but very steep and very disapointing tot the newbie user…
Linux is not a solution for windows problems i am afraid..

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fold this thread michuk  Monday, 30 October 2006 o godz. 4:01 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

eric — it depends what you’re expecting and how much time you are planning to spend on learning the the OS. For me, GNU/Linux is a great replacement for Windows and I use it on all of my computers. But in order to get the most of Linux, you need to learn it and it’s a stopper for many.

This is one of the reasons why we created this website — to make the transition easier. If you still have the will to learn Linux, reading the First steps in GNU/Linux chapter could be a good start.

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fold this thread Azhar  Friday, 24 November 2006 o godz. 6:40 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Well, if you like people to move to the linux from windows then linux should have following features.
1. Responsive (fast) desktop. Applications should launch and respond fast.
2. Generic support for hardware screens, USB, DVD, VCD, buetooth etc.
3. Interoperability: for example recognizing windows network on the fly. I mean no editing the text fies.

Dont take me wrong, I know issues 2 & 3 can be done in linux but with editing config files. MS has created solution which just works for average user. The average user is able to do all the setting through OS. It order to address issue 1, linux world need some innovation. I mean linux will never be able to match the MS WinXP if it running in multiple layers i.e. linuxKernel+XFree+Gnome/KDE

Therefore, a new linux is needed where GUI is embedded directly into OS. This will drastically improve the reponse of the applications. It is a huge task but I have confidence that wonderfull community of Linux can achieve this.

Happy linuxing!

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fold this thread michuk  Friday, 24 November 2006 o godz. 6:50 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

I mean linux will never be able to match the MS WinXP if it running in multiple layers i.e. linuxKernel+XFree+Gnome/KDE

Do you think Windows doesn’t have a kernel? Come on, if you are talking about the OS architecture it would be good if you knew something (anything?) about it.

Ubuntu is way more responsive than Windows XP on my hardware. Yes, it is the matter of hardware support! If you are trying to run Linux on hardware that does not have proper drivers (like old proprietary graphics drivers from ati or nvidia), wifi ran under ndiswrapper and a bluetooth by a provider that doesn’t care for Linux, don’t be surprised it works slower for you than Windows. For me, the performance of Linux is way better than any XP, cause I thought about the support before purchasing tha hardware.

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fold this thread Le Tuan  Sunday, 17 December 2006 o godz. 8:44 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Please, Help me download UBuntu Operating System.

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fold this thread Corvidae  Wednesday, 17 January 2007 o godz. 2:48 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

I think the point Azhar was trying to make is that Microsnot went through the trouble of integrating the entire OS functionally. The simplistic browse/map to a drive letter they use makes for a very easy way for anyone to grasp what they’re doing. I have a network drive mounted on my Ubuntu box right now, and I honestly have no idea where it mapped to. The general disassociation of physical drives and tree mappings that Linux uses, makes it difficult to figure out where programs are installed, let alone drives are mapped to. If I run out of space somewhere I’m gonna be screwed for hours just trying to figure out what else is on that partition. Or was that another drive?

Consider, wich is easier when your trying to find a file. Remembering it’s in D:\Eve or that it’s in /home/username/wine/drive_d/Eve. And don’t forget it’s case sensitive either. Network paths can get even uglier. Windows goes out of it’s way to hide and obscure long path names as much as possible for just this reason.

Personally I think the real goal for Linux programmers should be to not only make it not only unneeded to open the console, but also unwanted, since there is some graphical tool to do the job easier/quicker. And just maybe along the way, some kind of abstraction for the tree structure so no one needs to look at it anymore.

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fold this thread Xiong Chiamiov  Wednesday, 24 December 2008 o godz. 7:00 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I find it much more intuitive to put things wherever I want them, rather than having them in some obscure location. For instance, I can simply go to the “videos” directory in my home directory to find my videos, even though they are on another drive (or even on a different computer!).

Your particular example was for applications installed through Wine, which has nothing to do with Linux’s organization, as Wine has to duplicate Windows’ file structure somewhere inside of your pre-existing Linux one.

Also, many, many times have I found someone needing to access things (in Windows) that they don’t know how to, because they have no idea that their “home directory” is C:\Documents and Settings\[username]. Want to change your Programs structure so that you can actually find something? It’s really just a folder of folders of shortcuts, but nobody knows that, whereas in Linux, not only are they already grouped by category, but in most window managers, you simply right-click edit menu.

fold this thread Allan  Monday, 22 January 2007 o godz. 3:25 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

i dont agree that the GUI often makes applications easier.
if you were to open a app with the command line options from memory, you can often have the program operating well before someone of the same knowledge can with the GUI app.
sure for beginners its essential that apps be as easy and intuitive to the lay user as possible, but it should not be the goal for the linux console to be removed in the same way that M$ went about removing DOS support from windows.

i understand that there is always going to be a “in at the deep end” moment for windows only users shifting across but Linux IS a solution for windows problems but it takes a parralel jump in thinking to the different architechture.

/home/user/.. isnt so hard to understand at first, but only if the user remembers they dont need to understand what goes on below that in / .
once they do start to understand the rest of the system by installing and following tutorials’ and how-tos’ then the understanding of /etc and the rest will follow gradually.

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fold this thread Jack  Saturday, 24 March 2007 o godz. 6:32 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

well i need help with installing linux im tryign to install ubuntu. Iv downloaded it and when i click start this browser starts and i dont know wat to do and i tryed burnign it on a dvd and makign it a bootable dvd and its not working. I dont understand.

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fold this thread Robert Pogson  Monday, 9 July 2007 o godz. 8:38 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

A really neat way to install Linux on a machine with that other OS is to click on this link:

An .exe runs and installs Debian from the web.

The only cautions are that you should back up files you want to save and have an installation/live CD handy in the unlikely event the installed system does not boot (rare).

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fold this thread nirmalh  Thursday, 26 July 2007 o godz. 5:40 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

A good website to learn how to start and involve in Linux. I was searching for such a site when i was a newbie. Now the trend has changed completely. If you have internet, learning Linux has become so simple and the latest kernel is becoming unbreakable day by day.

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fold this thread jag_1506  Monday, 3 September 2007 o godz. 2:25 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

here you can download the latest ubuntu version by the way talking about distros I think the more you play with any distro you install you’ll get it work the way you want but you need to install more than five of them to really find the one that met all your needs, i’ve been installing linux since 2000 and a really like how debian works but when its sun came to light (ubuntu) wow what a wonderful work this guys made although the final debian distribution is good to go now has hw detection improves i installed yesterday for the first time opensuse and wow what a good features and easy gui to install i really recommend it for newbies so as ubuntu, the hardest i tried to install are slackware and freebsd although this last is most a unix one. mandriva, fedora core are easy to install too but i really prefer debian and let see what happen now after testing opensuse ill let you know guys. I decided to install opensuse because i was configuring a friend server running under opensuse and was really easy to configure samba and give all the users privileges and put all the things working fast and painless.

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fold this thread Arnold L. Johnson  Wednesday, 9 January 2008 o godz. 3:52 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Get yourself a large jump drive, say 4 to 8GB, download onto it a live-CD Linux version, I like Xubuntu myself. Then go into the computer setup and select boot from USB device if you can. There is no need to disturb a MS Windows install, in fact there is no need for a MS Windows install. You can use your whole hard drive to store files.
A large jump drive could hold a couple of distros, grub and applications. If you want to swap to another OS simply unplug one jump drive and plug in another, reboot. The idea here is that data is not stored on the same hard drive as your OS, so if your OS crashes or gets corrupted, the data is safe. Although Linux is safer than other OS’s, an added layer of safety is good. Plus you can swap and upgrade without tampering with your data files. Some distros have a DVD size iso, it will fit on that large jump drive so you don’t have to have a DVD burner. Jump drives can save you from a whole stack of burned disks that will get tossed on your next upgrade cycle.

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