KDE 4.4 dev: What’s new?

[ Monday, 30 November 2009, Bastion ]


I have managed to find some time to cover the recent changes in the development version of KDE 4.4. The number of changes is not impressive but they are interesting enough to write an article.

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Adding applets

There was a time when I complained about the convoluted process of adding new Plasma applets. Not anymore! Today I can say it’s easy and much more intuitive, although still not flawless. For instance, scrolling between the available applets horizontally is not very user-friendly.

The changes made here were cosmetic. The scrolling looks nicer and the information about the applets being displayed is more detailed.

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KRunner like YaKuake

A very nice change in KRunnera! Now we can configure it in the way that it’s displayed not in the centre of the screen but shows up in an elegant way at the top of the screen.

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Animated Oxygen

Now the window decoration of Oxygen has all the items animated, making it seem more lively. The effects are delicate and it a good taste.

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I was too lazy this time to make my own video, so I’ll use the one prepared by Nuno to illustrate what I’m talking about.

Direct link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5Cv0z0dqfk

Grouping windows

The best change ever is the window grouping feature. Now we can put together many windows into one and switch between them using the tabs located in the window title. Have you seen something like that before? Very useful!

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Other changes

The module responsible for configuring the mouse actions have been finally cleared up, and the window with System settings got the tooltips.

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Stability

To my great surprise, the whole thing works fast and the system is responsive. I haven’t encountered a single crash when playing with KDE 4.4 r1055000. This makes my hope that the next release of my favorite desktop envoronment will be a great success.

The original text was published on official Polish KDE blog: KDE 4.4 r1055000

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85 Comments

fold this thread MONODA  Monday, 30 November 2009 o godz. 2:52 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Would you mind sharing with us the specs of the machine you did this review with? I haven’t had good experiences KDE 4′s performance wise so would like to know how our computers compare, thank you.

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fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 10:57 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

There was recently a fix in the ‘comp’ that doubles the frame rate of KDE.

 
 
fold this thread Dennis Murczak  Monday, 30 November 2009 o godz. 4:02 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

KDE performs better in my experience if you switch off the desktop effects. It runs fine here on my Asus EEE 701 4G in 1680×1050 resolution (external LCD monitor), and on a 2002 era Toshiba Satellite.

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fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 10:58 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I had a similar experience with a ’98′ machine. It took to KDE perfectly after this and has run perfectly since.

 
 
fold this thread Anonymous Coward  Monday, 30 November 2009 o godz. 8:12 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

KDE 4.3′s working fine on my Toshiba Portege S100. Old laptop, single-core, 1.5GB of RAM, feeble graphics card… KDE doesn’t mind that much at all.

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fold this thread J.A.  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 1:39 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I’m running KDE4.3 (openSUSE 11.2) on an old P4 with 512MB RAM. It works great! No graphics card so effects are off.

 
 
fold this thread KBill  Monday, 30 November 2009 o godz. 9:46 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

man!, grouping windows has been a feature of fluxbox since… what… 1995 maybe? probably other implemented it even earlier than that… It is a great feature thou

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fold this thread fx4  Monday, 30 November 2009 o godz. 11:31 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

Fluxbox is a fork of Blackbox, which was started on FreeBSD back in 1998 or so.

 
fold this thread Roberto Alsina  Monday, 30 November 2009 o godz. 11:36 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

Dude, in 1995 fluxbox didn’t exist. 0.1.1 is from september 2001, I think the 0.0.x were released circa end of 1999.

 
fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 11:00 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Making the argument about when commits are made is just another form of ‘fanboy’ denial. The increased productivity due to this feature as of now is the real topic discussion as anything else is still ‘fanboy’ denial.

 
 
fold this thread Odol  Monday, 30 November 2009 o godz. 10:55 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

there are more new things, than just visual effects. I like the porting of kaddressbook and kjots to Akonadi

http://steveire.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/akonadi-applications-sharing-notes/

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fold this thread Cpc  Tuesday, 1 December 2009 o godz. 12:13 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --6

I cannot believe this type of development. Often I read on blogs and wikis relating to KDE or other desktops that the effects are just decorations without any practical applications. Effects like the flipping windows, or gathering windows on a desktop, transperancy, cubes, etc..

Now it seems this type of effect and plugin is being built into the desktop. This seems like colossal waste of development time. It’s like starting from scratch and reinventing the wheel, and they have such a long way to catch up.

I recently installed 4.3 on a 2 year old Core Dupo system with ATi graphics and 4GB Ram. Despite of the recent claims to improved performance the KDE effects cause tearing of graphics and video, jerky animations, OpenGL crashes, etc. Replace the lot with Compiz-Fusion and the performance is smooth and the crashes disappear.

I’m not a proponent of either system, but it seems to me there is a lack of focus. Don’t tell me that the effects and plugins are just decorations then build them into your next release, please be consistent?

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fold this thread Anonymous Coward  Monday, 14 December 2009 o godz. 7:52 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Isn’t this rather making the presumption that the two claims are coming from the same place?

Demonstration: “I wish scientists would make up their minds. Either Global Warming is happening or it isn’t!”.

 
fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 11:02 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

The effects often times lead to more productivity for me as they are more ways to manage windows. Reinventing the wheel means the difference between me driving on circular tires and you driving on square ones….

 
fold this thread bkmfs  Wednesday, 6 January 2010 o godz. 6:10 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

IMHO, desktop cube, magic lamp, and all those other effects are useful for showing off your system to somebody who really doesn’t know much about computers and who just might be turned onto something other than Microsoft Windows.

 
fold this thread Jessica  Wednesday, 27 January 2010 o godz. 8:14 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Please state the Distro you’re having all these issues with. If its Kubuntu, then please use a real distro that doesn’t destroy KDE. I use Arch Linux with KDE 4.3 and the graphics effects run flawlessly, and use very little resources.

On older machines with much less RAM and graphical power, the desktop runs smooth and fast as well, just without all the extra desktop effects. The desktop still looks very pretty and graphically pleasing to the eye. OpenGL has yet to crash on me once, on any system I’ve used it on. So please try and do a real study on KDE, or at least explain more what you did so we can find the real issue here.
-Jessica-

 
fold this thread In-Vader  Sunday, 7 February 2010 o godz. 5:37 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

dude, your hw-specs are way better then mine and I don’thave any of the problems you described. What distro is that? What happens if you turn of the desktop-effects?

 
 
fold this thread KBill  Tuesday, 1 December 2009 o godz. 1:04 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

so then I guess Blackbox having the same feature for more than ten years ago still makes it a “New” feature in any WM/DE…

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fold this thread correnos  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 2:29 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

It is true that this has been implemented before. However, what most people care about is whether it has been implemented in either a new or a popular project. It is sort of sad, but if you think about it fluxbox isn’t user-friendly enough for most people who would use KDE.

 
 
fold this thread solarwind  Tuesday, 1 December 2009 o godz. 1:07 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Where did you get that wallpaper (from the first screenshot)?

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fold this thread mayhem  Tuesday, 1 December 2009 o godz. 7:29 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +3
 
 
fold this thread Pascal  Tuesday, 1 December 2009 o godz. 2:34 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

Are Nepomuk, Akonadi going to work in this release? Shall we have K3b after 2 years of KDE 4? What about Konqueror? Will it work without crashes, weird behavior, web pages badly loaded? Is finally Kickoff going to allow small icons so users whose screens dont have millions of pixeles don’t see a third of our screen invaded by a damn menu? What about all that grey empty space in dialogs and Windows? i tseems by the screenshots that they arent going to have rational sizes but wasting screen space, I don’t think we need 1,5 cm of grey area to display a 5 mm text.

Other tnan that KDE 4 is the prettiestst desktop ever, including Mac’s, yay! :-|

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fold this thread Kaare Rasmussen  Friday, 4 December 2009 o godz. 10:14 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I do like the new KDE very much.

But the state of Instant Messaging in KDE is not very good, unfortunately.

Kopete doesn’t speak IRC and has a serious error in its Jabber handling (shen using SSL). Kopete is IRC only and looks very old.

Some people say KDE IM will be based on a Telepathy layer. But is this true, and if so, where is it?

fold this thread Mike  Monday, 7 December 2009 o godz. 2:54 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

and Kopete still doesn’t have video cam capability for MSN/WLM or Yahoo.

 
fold this thread Mark Kretschmann  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 9:36 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Using a generic instant messenger for IRC is braindead (sorry to say that, but it’s true).

There are dedicated clients like Konversation and Quassel that handle this much, much better.

 
fold this thread Anand  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 9:41 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I use kopete everyday. kopete does IM protocols – jabber, gtalk, AIM, ICQ etc

For IRC, KDE provides Konversation app.

You say Kopete doesn’t speak IRC and has a serious error in its Jabber handling (shen using SSL). Kopete is IRC only and looks very old.”

That sounds very odd. Please check

 
 
fold this thread Markus  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 8:30 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

> Shall we have K3b after 2 years of KDE 4?

K3b for KDE Platform 4 is out since about one year or so.

> What about Konqueror? Will it work without crashes,
> weird behavior, web pages badly loaded?

Get Rekonq, the new KDE browser, or switch Konqueror to WebKit.

 
fold this thread Jessica  Wednesday, 27 January 2010 o godz. 8:09 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Could you please stop this fud attack? It seems you’ve had bad experiences with this but I have not once had anything like that on any recent installs of KDE 4.3. K3B works fine without any KDE 3.x libraries installed. Konqueror has yet to crash on me once. I use classic menu myself and it looks and works fine to me. Web Pages on Konqueror work fine for me.
KDE 4.3 is working amazing for me, even on older machines. Please stop attacking something that you had a bad experience with but everyone else seems to be having a good time with.
-Jessica-

 
 
fold this thread Pascal  Tuesday, 1 December 2009 o godz. 2:36 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Sorry, I didn’t meant “Windows”, but just “windows”; it must be the (bad) habit, hehe.

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fold this thread xvalx  Tuesday, 1 December 2009 o godz. 9:54 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

I really don’t get the animosity towards KDE in these comments. It’s 2009 (nearly 2010) and the trend is moving to more and more eye candy, which I couldn’t be happier about. I’m glad KDE is keeping up, if not surpassing.

So KDE isn’t for you? Well, it is for me. Why waste time with unproductive complaining, use something else and move on, that’s the beauty of Linux, right? Else, complain in a more productive manner such as bug reports, etc.

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fold this thread {ed  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 9:29 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --3

Maybe it’s because some people actually try to work with PC, not just look at eye candy desktop and watch pr0n or youtube. And it may be the common linux distributions adopted KDE4 way too soon, and people already expected KDE4 to “just work”, and it didn’t. And the backslash will take some time to fade off. (I’m personally still holding at KDE3 and very reluctant to upgrade, I’m still missing many practical tiny details in 4, and eye candy can’t buy me in … although I have to admit recent 4.3 and 4.4 are not as abysmal and I managed to try them for more then 20 minutes, versions before didn’t last even 5min for me. I think there’s some light at the end of tunnel now.)

fold this thread xvalx  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 6:05 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

I’m a network engineer for an ISP, and as well as a hobbyist programmer. I’m probably in front of a computer more during the day than anything else. That is exactly why it’s nice to have eye candy. Think before you rag on people idiot.

fold this thread rec9140  Thursday, 10 December 2009 o godz. 2:32 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --3

I am in front of a computer 16-20hours per day every day as CIO, programmer, work & personal.

NO eye candy makes that any better.

I want to switch between Konsole sessions quickly and easily..

I want to go system:/media/ in Konqi and see my devices. I I want to smb:/ and see my Samba stuff.

NONE of the plasma crap makes that better, actually some of the above has been removed from KDE 4! So its useless for me.

I don’t need a “rethink” of my desktop! It has a nice wallpaper on it and my icons to link to various programs, locations etc.. I don’t need any fancy cubes spinning or wavy boxes etc… 95% of the time its covered by all the programs that are open.

How does any of that BS, yes BS make reading email, programming, word processing, spreadsheet, MySQL admin, ssh sessions, Kate sessions, Netbeans sessions…. any better.

IT DOES NOT!

Skip the eye candy and put the work in to useful features.

Till then Kvista is not going on my systems.

 
fold this thread xvalx  Friday, 11 December 2009 o godz. 3:59 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

That’s a very valid point. You don’t appreciate eye candy. So maybe you should not use KDE. My argument is not that all people should use KDE and love it, it’s that KDE is right for me, and you should use something else.

However, just to entertain myself.

Konsole sessions switch quickly and easily for me, what do you mean by inferring that they don’t? shift+left and shift+right still work, and I don’t notice any delay.

system:/media/ I’m lost. Konqi is the KDE mascot, so I’ll assume you meant Konqueror. When you plug in a device the device notifier alerts you, and it also appears in the places panel of Dolphin.

smb:/ I can’t test this because I don’t have any samba capable devices on my network as I don’t have a use for that. fish:/ and svn:/ work, so I would assume that smb:/ does too, just have to use Dolphin instead of Konqueror.

I personally enjoy having a beautiful desktop experience when I’m working. That BS helps with the ambiance of my day, and to me that’s valuable. Your point is valid that it’s useless if KDE doesn’t provide functionality. I would argue that all the functionality is there, but perhaps just in different places than you’re used to.

Back to the root point, if it’s not for you, then it’s not for you. There’s gnome, xfce, elightenment (probably wouldn’t like this either), lxde, *box, ratpoison, awesome, etc, etc.

 
fold this thread Wei  Friday, 1 January 2010 o godz. 6:21 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

I like eye candies.

If you don’t want eye candies, maybe you should stick with TWM.

 
 
 
 
fold this thread AndrejT  Tuesday, 1 December 2009 o godz. 1:44 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Great to see KDE getting ahead of competition even more. Looks like the foundations laid with Qt 4 and KDE 4.0 really help a lot by speeding up the development process.

P.S. Shouldn’t the title say something like KDE Software Compilation 4.4 or KDE Plasma Desktop 4.4, now after the KDE re-branding.

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fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 11:07 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

You are the forums hidden genius. I adore a comment on an article that actually applies.

The speedup of development is exactly why the rewrite was so incredibly important. Just compare the time versus features gained for KDE 1 or 2 versus that of KDE 4.

Now everyone knows why Nokia cares so much about how Qt it is (Qt = cute).

 
 
fold this thread ranfi  Tuesday, 1 December 2009 o godz. 7:43 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +5

It looks great, that’s nice. What is NOT so nice is KDE performance. On every PC with every version of KDE I’ve tried – resizing of window/panels/whatever is not fluent.

It’s quite noticeable on this video too. And animations can’t hide it.

I don’t know whose fault it is (nvidia/intel or KDE/xorg), but it would be nice to have quick and nice desktop enviroment.

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fold this thread Gareth Francis  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 6:57 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

You are correct, in some cases window resizing can look jerky.

I just did some very unscientific free playing with kwin to see which effect(s) are slowing down window resizing, as it works fine when composite effects are turned off.

For me turning the wobbly windows effect off made a huge difference.

I can’t see why you’d ever want the window to wobble whilst the window is being resized so i’d be tempted to call this a bug with that effect.

fold this thread littlenoodles  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 8:09 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

I remember having the resizing problem early on. I think I just switched my resize effect to ‘scale’ instead of ‘opaque’ or whatever. The scaling effect is just as nice and works fast.

fold this thread Gareth Francis  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 8:22 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Turns out there is an option within the wobbly windows configuration dialog to turn it off when resizing :D

 
 
fold this thread ranfi  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 11:13 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I’m not using woobly windows. They are on the video (i think) but i don’t use this effect.

Window border does some kind of jumps instead of fluent move. Content of the window is also nonconsistent. I’ll try to make short video tomorrow.

fold this thread ranfi  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 11:35 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
 
 
 
 
fold this thread wix  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 7:25 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I need keyboard graphics status applet..and all handicap peaple too!!!

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fold this thread Master Of Unix  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 4:34 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --3

Grouping Windows doesnt make any sense. What is the point? All it does is make it harder to remember where each window you are using is.

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fold this thread Gareth Francis  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 6:43 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

What you meant to say was, “grouping windows doesn’t make any sense for me”, because i know it does for me.

When im at work i have 20+ windows open at once. I for one would cherish being able to attach an instance of dolphin to eclipse so i don’t keep closing it by accident.

 
fold this thread Markus  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 8:36 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

Then don’t use it, jerk

 
fold this thread Jaap  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 11:24 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

What is it with all those simpletons who think that if a feature isn’t useful to them, it’s useless to everybody.

When I work, I open lost of windows, sessions and programs, when I’m at work I do a lot of things at the same time. That’s is why I’m happy with grouping of windows, it let’s me group different jobs, and keep stuff apart. I’ll be examining the activities concept soon, and see if that can further easy my work.

No, I’m sure a “master of unix” doesn’t need all those crutches, so just count yourself lucky.

 
 
fold this thread antiriad  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 6:32 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

i’d like to see touchpad configuration in system settings. anyway, kde4 is the best of breed.

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fold this thread Markus  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 8:37 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0
 
 
fold this thread Phil  Wednesday, 2 December 2009 o godz. 7:09 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Rather hilarious. I used Gnome for the past two years and found so many people swearing up and down that KDE is better. I switch to KDE (because I actually like it better) and find people hating on KDE to no end. Rather than have all this hate why don’t people just use what works best for them. If you’re complaining about a bug then thats one thing. But to complain about the whole direction of a project is crazy especially if another project is going in the direction you want. I know I was concerned about the whole Gnome shell idea as well as other issues in Gnome so I decided to try out KDE. I like the KDE eye candy because some of it is useful to me. Plus I do like to look at something appealing all day rather than plain unanimated boredom.

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fold this thread Moritz  Thursday, 3 December 2009 o godz. 12:13 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

Have you seen something like that before? Very useful!

Yes, fluxbox has this feature for years now. But KDE invented it!!1 now!11. KDE rocks!!!11!!!1!1!!!1

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fold this thread Marian  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 12:30 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

Compiz can do that since 2006 or 2007.

fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 11:12 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

But ‘Compiz’ is a memory whore. ‘KWin’ is directly integrated and therefore more efficient. You can’t begin to imagine how lonely ol’ ‘X’ feels to be possessed by an external application. I can assure you it is quiet sickening to read the kernel’s memory and cycle feedback output after an installation of ‘Compiz.’

fold this thread Bobby  Wednesday, 16 December 2009 o godz. 9:07 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I was a bit skeptical of the KWin thing at first and was wondering why the KDE team don’t just use Compiz instead of wasting developers’ time and resources but now I am happy that they didn’t.
All due respect a lot of credit to the Compiz devs. Without them KWin wouldn’t be what it is now because these effects are all inspired by Compiz.
The desktop integration is another thing though. The tight integration of the effects in the KDE desktop wouldn’t (or isn’t) be possible using Compiz and the KDE devs left out some of the superfluous stuff like burning windows and similar effects which nobody really needs.
Everything is smoother and feels a lot more native using KWin.

 
fold this thread Bryan  Wednesday, 23 December 2009 o godz. 4:24 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Not to point a finger or such, but aren’t most special effects simply eye-candy?

Also, as a side note, I find that some animations actually improve comprehension on what I am doing (i.e., you minimize a window and it “slides” to the taskbar, no mistaking about what you clicked, etc…).

Also, I agree that Compiz would not be a good idea for KSC (KDE Software Compilation) because it would not benefit from the advantages and portability of Qt, as well as, of course, integration, etc…

 
fold this thread Atarivandio  Thursday, 7 January 2010 o godz. 8:41 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Bingo, thinking it through helped someone for once. =)

 
 
 
fold this thread xvalx  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 6:16 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +3

I don’t think anyone is claiming KDE invented it, just that it is now a new feature for KDE.

 
 
fold this thread JD  Friday, 4 December 2009 o godz. 3:37 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --5

I’m sorry to say i still don’t like KDE4 , its jumpy and sluggish ( even on a good PC) And the default art is horrible! seriously fire that guy! The window borders are hideous (no color just grey!) the Oxygen style is horrible! use Qtcurve with shiny class and change the dang window decorations to something normal! Geeze! I Wish the team good luck! though :)

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fold this thread xvalx  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 6:26 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +5

That’s funny, I’m the exact opposite. I think Qtcurve is hideous, but love the Oxygen style (It’s the first default theme I haven’t tried changing). Oh well, to each their own, I’m glad Qtcurve exists for those that enjoy it.

fold this thread Bobby  Wednesday, 16 December 2009 o godz. 9:48 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

It all boils down to taste. I like the oxygen theme very much. The only thing that I change is the marked fonts to black instead of white and the background (for marked text) to a little ligher blue.
I don’t really like QtCurve either.
There are people who think that Gnome themes are the prettiest on the planet but I personally find them to be horrible – again taste.

 
 
fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 11:15 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

You both are funny as feature parodies are often ignored to hide the fact that all window manager wars are actually over looks. Just customize it dummy, and if you can’t at least program some hooks so that other users can.

 
 
fold this thread Anna  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 5:21 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

JD you are so right! It’s so Ugly! (like you) I thought Grey went out in the 90′s? whats with the window borders? haha. But Opensuse KDE is the best i’ve seen! so before you pass judgment try Opensuse i love it!

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fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 11:16 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

If grey went out in the nineties then Microsoft and Apple are going to hell.

 
 
fold this thread Markus  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 8:28 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  error

> Shall we have K3b after 2 years of KDE 4?

K3b is not part of Software Collection. It never was. It’s an Extragear application with its own release cycle. The first release for KDE Platform 4 was about a year ago.

> What about Konqueror? Will it work without crashes,
> weird behavior, web pages badly loaded?

Either get Rekonq (the new KDE browser) or switch Konqueror to WebKit.

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fold this thread KAMiKAZOW  Saturday, 5 December 2009 o godz. 8:32 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  error

> Kopete doesn’t speak IRC
> Kopete is IRC only

Can you make up your mind if Kopete supports IRC or not?
Hit: No IRC support and no one cares about IRC since the 1980s or so.

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fold this thread Atarivandio  Thursday, 10 December 2009 o godz. 9:48 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +4

I hate it when everyone in a thread completely misses the mark.

KDE 4 is more feature complete by default than any other system that I can think of (Windows & Mac too).

GNOME is windows 98.
Windows XP is older than my dad.
Vista is a half-baked whore.
Windows 7 is the genius that can’t tie his shoes.

Mac is a great copy of BSD that was awesome in 1998 when I downloaded it (Hence why the interface is shockingly similar to gnome since it is gnome which happens to be a win 98 clone). =P

The programming is probably superior as they control the construction of KDE and the design of the construction tools. A monopoly that has been proven successful by the number of commits alone and the amazing power of the code base. The only system that is halfway multilingual.

Besides GNOME 3.0 is just too disappointing to think about. Basically a slightly more functional window grouping system with a tiny search field attached. To be further honest with those in denial, KDE is the only window manager that has not given up the race to keep up with Windows and OSX. In many ways KDE is ahead.

Better widgets (runs Macs Google’s and configurable)
Better effects. (Cube speeds up flow due to visual context)
Only system that seems to have great defaults.
Only dark theme that helped my eyes because it was not just Black and White, but Blue and Grey (believe me it does matter after a while when keeping head clear for work).
Has an amazing search utility that blows everyone else out of the water.
KDE programmers are the only ones that seem to know how to properly plan and schedule (backed up by the bare metal efficiency of sprints and enthusiastically packed events a minor feature that no other window manager seems to replicate very well).
The only window manager in the world taken seriously enough to be privately backed by governments.
The only manager that doesn’t look like 98 or earlier.
The first manager to set the standard for Linux system trays, I know I almost can’t take that seriously myself as that shows you how bad the others are. =P
A manager with APIs so powerful that I forgot 6 years of GNOME in 6 minutes (KDE 4.0). =P
The only group with the same power as Microsoft as they influence both components of the manager (language and structure).
The only people to think of a micro-browser widget (I mean come on people).
The only manager backed by artists that have literally enhanced every component of user experience (which does effect how people perceive the appliance extensively).
The only manager designed to be future proof after Microsoft tried to get crafty again (Hence their relationship with Nokia) a secure method to protect Linux and industry as a whole.

Aseigo u r a trooper. God bless u for providing me with the most important part of the workstation that feeds my two kids.

Everybody else can keep win 98. =P
This isn’t 93′ anymore…
This is almost the same as old people hating homos…
Hint…
They acted that way just because everyone else did.

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fold this thread Alberto  Friday, 11 December 2009 o godz. 11:12 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

It’s Also more unstable then any Operating System! Get Gnome!

fold this thread xvalx  Saturday, 12 December 2009 o godz. 3:44 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Really, where do people get these myths. I only reboot my Desktop when there is a new kernel or a new version of KDE and power outages. Aside from that it’s up and running KDE 24/7.

 
fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 11:19 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

If GNOME is so stable then why does it come with a kissing disease. =P

 
fold this thread Bryan  Wednesday, 23 December 2009 o godz. 4:51 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

With me, a stable KDE has been a hit and miss. Especially with *buntu Linux.

KDE 4.x is not finished. You can wait ’till 4.5/4.6 until you switch if you don’t like it now.

 
 
 
fold this thread Atarivandio  Thursday, 10 December 2009 o godz. 10:01 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

I also wanted to give u guys a clue even though this thread is probably dead now, but guess what the difference between the successful windows and the awful desktop Linux is.

Do u think you have figured it out yet?

It’s how pretty the desktop is…
Notice in all the youtube videos how nobody demos KDE to anyone….. Always win 98 GNOME. :)

I have a vid of a conference Bill Gates went too. :)
In this vid someone showed him Linux. He later went on stage and let everyone know that even he didn’t take it too seriously (The manager was GNOME)… I don’t blame him. What customer willingly chooses the quality of paintbrush over photoshop (the difference in quality)… =) It’s almost funny how the cookie tends to crumble. Imagine

Transformers made with paintbrush…
That’s doing serious office work with GNOME…

Everybody that I show KDE to begs for a live cd. Not quiet the same for everyone else…

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fold this thread GGC  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 5:38 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

GRRRRR KDE GRRRRRR

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fold this thread rafael  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 9:33 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

well im a fan of kde since kde2, i have to say that i trully love kde4(mostly since 4.1 :) 4.0 was a bit unstable for me), and well kde 4.4 show even more uberness.

here are the topics of what i think could be better

1.) art is too plain and sometimes ugly (look at sabayon default art for example is awesome XD)

2.) the ability to apply transparency in QMainWindow and Qwidget at will (aka aero like, not to copy aero ofc, but i admit that this transparency beside the fact that looks cool well give a improve to usability)

3.) i wanna have kde 4 in my cel, my fridge, my tv XD

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fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 11:27 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

You might get your wish… I hear an executive at google freaked when he saw the ‘Netbook’ Shell. KDE is still graphically more customizable than GNOME. In case you don’t know visual customization equals marketing witch directly impacts the perception of branding. I hear Android might be integrated into home ‘blueray’ players and many more appliances. The powerful enhancements provided by animations also has a few employees stunned. The smoother something appears to run the sexier it is perceived… Thats why you want it in your fridge, and that’s why I want NLTK in it… Suddenly talking to your fridge about good pizza sounds sexy and futuristic.

 
 
fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 9:54 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

xvalx, I agree…
I never had to restart with exception to kernel updates and small crashes prior to 4.1.

Sorry if I seem negative, when I step back and take a serious look at the state of the desktop, KDE is the only one that at least appears to be moving in the right direction. By the smallest measure of motion it is the only one that is gaining positively…

I’ve been reading articles about mono… How can you trust a product that is named after a kissing disease by a company that stated just a year ago that it planned to infect Linux with something secretly proprietary… Microsoft gave gnome the kiss of death. =P Doesn’t that make you guys feel anything, anything at all? Do you realize how quickly this could all end?

I know my responses can sometimes be extreme, but considering the nature of this business thinking extreme can help one to identify the underlying problems that are usually show-stoppers. I never though of GNOME like this until I replied here, but the process of thinking like this revealed to me self-evident truths that blew my mind. KDE isn’t perfect, but it is still more future proof than GNOME.

GNOME after all is seeing a customer demand in the wake of KDE that they know can’t be satisfied without a serious rewrite. Though painful, KDE got this phase out of the way a long time ago, but GNOME is too ‘corporate’ for this. What if they alienate the corporate community and thusly destroy Linux as a credible system. Many bad things will happen to Linus’s paycheck then………..

Be serious clear thinkers for once and make extreme judgments since this is an extreme situation. A leaner KDE can easily be made to compensate for the desktop vacuum that
might ensue. The ‘netbook’ KDE was the most extreme of this experiment, it’s always easy to subtract out what you don’t need, but adding is a different story.

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fold this thread Bryan  Wednesday, 23 December 2009 o godz. 4:48 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

What I’ve determined is:

Gnome is the present.

KDE is the future.

However, the future is coming fast.

 
 
fold this thread Atarivandio  Tuesday, 15 December 2009 o godz. 10:56 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

To be honest with you I’m just a futurist.
I’m holding out for KDE to take the most obvious next step, the integration of Natural Language Technology into KDE.
Imagine a stock-tracker plasmid that can actually give you stock advise. Imagine a world where you search for something and the computer actually understands the meaning of your search. Imagine having a direct conversation to KDE about help of some kind. Imagine it being autonomous enough to try to fix your computer for you. Imagine a world where multiple bots share the same soul but are separated by personalities generated by different knowledge basses working together to solve your problems for you.

I think that in the long term that will be the newest addition to KDE. It is after all what the setup appears to be, look at ‘Nepomuk,’ but then imagine it with a conscious awareness of the user. the ‘NLTK’ software package is mature enough to handle this matter quickly and ‘Nepomuk’ is the top candidate…

This would quickly make KDE the most important advancement in computer history.

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fold this thread Bryan  Wednesday, 23 December 2009 o godz. 4:54 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

That sounds ambitious. I could see that in maybe 5 years, but being able to have a “conversation” with a computer has been imitated, but never done.

Would be cool though. Probably become the “thing you need that you didn’t know you need.”

 
 
fold this thread cloo  Tuesday, 29 December 2009 o godz. 2:20 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I`m no expert, but I`m starting to believe that KDE performance highly depends on a distro. While testing look & feel on my parents average machine, desktop in Kubuntu was much slower than Sabayon or even Slax from live CD. I haven`t tested that aspect much, so I guess this is worth better checking.

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fold this thread soj  Sunday, 21 February 2010 o godz. 6:11 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

<a href=”http://kde4world.wordpress.com” Few simple tunings/tweaks makes KDE 4.4 more beautiful and amazing

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great.

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