Quick Look at KDE 4.2-SVN

[ Thursday, 16 October 2008, riklaunim ]


As the work on KDE 4.2 turns out to be on quite an advanced stage, I’ve decided to test the current development version. For the purpose of this test I used the Archlinux distribution, that features the KDE 4.2-SVN packages repository. It is just enough to add appropriate entries into pacman.conf at the top of the default repositories, and there we can go on installing kde-svn. Read my impressions below.

Applications

KDE4.2 is the next step in evolution of the new KDE branch. Comparing to KDE 4.1.2, it makes a ‘new version’ impression, and the applications are starting up a little bit faster. The bug that prevented usage of Ctrl+C/V shortcuts for copying in Konqueror while the ‘internet’ tab was present, has been fixed. Also the automatic numbering of screenshots within ksnapshot (4.1.2 used to forget the last snapshot name) has been fixed, too.

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Screenshot 1: KDE 4.2-SVN running applications.

Konqueror behaves similarly to the one shipped with KDE3, tough its components have been re-built. The file and folder browsing is now the KPart of Dolphin‘s responsibility, the default file manager of KDE4. Dolphin’s interface is easy to use and reminds of Thunar, XFCE’s counterpart. The Dolphin’s programmers goal was to give the users a much simpler application than Konqueror is, which according to them, is best for “power users”. Konqueror has in fact become much more of a web browser – upon launch, the “home” icon brings the default home page, instead of the home folder. Only on the file manager tabs the home folder icon appears.
There is much attention turned towards KHTML and KJS web rendering engines. Comparing to KDE3′s Konqueror, it is remarkable, that the pages loaded with JavaScript do work better (e.g. the slideshare.net or IBM DeveloperWorks do not stutter any more). For now the new functionalities planned to be included in KDE4.2 list e.g. the SVG support in KHTML (ported from WebKit). The works on optimizing KJS or KHTML extensions haven’t started yet. Dolphin’s features that are finished so far are e.g. the tooltips. The improvement of zooming in and out of the elements list using a simple slider is currently a Work In Progress. Konqueror awaits the new tabbing support using Akonadi.

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Screenshot 2: Dolphin with miniatures/file preview enabled

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Screenshot 3: And the above disabled.

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Screenshot 4: The file manager tab in Konqueror.

Ark works and has no problems managing the archives. What differs it between KDE3 version, is the completely new UI. Works on its improvement are on their way too. The goals are e.g. support for drag-and-drop between Ark and Dolphin, improvements to password-protected archives support, and servicing [menu serwisowe ?] options menu. These are currently work-in-progress.

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Screenshot 5 : Ark’s new UI.

Okular is a new application for viewing files lile PDF, CHM, DJVU or graphics. It substitutes KDE3′s Kpdf. KDE4.2 goals list only the movie and their annotation support. The .snp and .emf support and general annotation improvements are still on Okular’s ToDo list.

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Screenshot 6: Okular displaying a CHM file.

KGet received from KDE4 a few changes to the UI and better desktop integration thanks to the plasmoids (three of them available currently in KDE4.2-SVN). The download manager’s behavior didn’t change, but its capabilities were enlarged. The currently worked-on tasks list i.e. multi-source download, mms:// protocol support. The ToDo list includes the MLDonkey plugin.

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Screenshot 7: Standard file download list view.

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Screenshot 8: The new detailed download view.

The kdemultimedia department works currently on a more-or-less default movie player – the Dragon Player. All assigned goals are being worked on (i.e. Xine independence, adding the file manager, showing audio file properties and so on). As of Juka, its goals still remain on a ToDo list – i.e. dropping the Qt/KDE3 libraries dependencies.

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Screenshot 9: Juk playing OGG files.

The Desktop

Plasma has most goals listed for inclusion in KDE4.2, followed closely by KWin. Currently Plasma behaves somewhat unstable and can crash while managing the plasmoids. With the default “plasmoid” desktop setting, we can add the plasmoids, but the files/icons are not supported, KDE3′s style. A plasmoid displaying the pointed-to folder contents has been added instead. Other than this, the default plasmoids aren’t too eyecatching. Some have problems sizing the individual components, or don’t work correctly (e.g. the KGet plasmoids).

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Screenshot 9: Folder view and Kickoff4 as a plasmoid.

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Screenshot 10: searching applications by name doesn’t always yield expected results.

The plasmoids can also be added to panels, that way extending their functionality compared to KDE3′s Kicker. For example, if we cannot decide which KDE menu style we like more, we can add the old-styled plasmoid and have them both.

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Screenshot 11: Panel configuration is quite a powerful tool.

The desktop can also be switched into a “show directory” mode, to receive the similar to KDE3′s desktop functionality of displaying and placing files and shortcuts there. In return we cannot add plasmoids there any more.

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Screenshot 12: KDE4.2 allows to place files on the desktop “the usual way”.

As it can be seen, the KDE4 development is running at full throttle. KDE4.2 will include much enhanced functionality and versatility than KDE 4.1, but still a lot of work has to be done in many areas, especially when it comes to the stability of the applications.

If you asked me “is it worth it to switch to KDE 4?” I’d say, that it is worth waiting for the 4.2.0 or even until its patched versions emerge (like 4.2.1) depending on mainline stability. KDE 4.1.2 doesn’t offer that much versatility to satisfy different users expectations. To make things worse for it, in spite of the second patch level release, there are still some persistent bugs emerging.

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71 Comments

fold this thread contrast  Thursday, 16 October 2008 o godz. 11:08 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

The biggest thing that drives me nuts in KDE 4.1.2 is how some of the settings aren’t persistent; e.g., customizing an application’s toolbar layout, changing default icon sizes in System Settings, etc. Have you noticed any progress in this department?

Great read, by the way. Thanks for keeping us posted! :)

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fold this thread Yabni Mustapha  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 3:16 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Settings are persistent.
Use “lock widgets” to lock (and save) widget position and sizes.

fold this thread atomopawn  Monday, 8 December 2008 o godz. 11:24 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Not all settings are persistent. For instance, in Akregator, if you adjust the width of the field headers and then close the program, you will have to readjust them when you reopen. There are many instances of this all over KDE 4 right now. I’m sure they will eventually get fixed, but it is majorly annoying to always have to readjust field widths.

 
 
 
fold this thread orlando_ombzzz  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 12:59 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

i don’t like the contrast between the system menu ( mostly white ) and the rest of the kde4 desktop ( mostly dark )

this “shocks” me every time i try a new KDE4 iteration

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fold this thread Mark  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 3:49 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --3

I don’t like the whole KDE 4 color scheme; not just the contrast between the system menu. In my opinion it looks very unpleasant.

-Mark

fold this thread rob enderle  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 12:25 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +5

>I don’t like the whole KDE 4 color scheme; not just the >contrast between the system menu.

I truly dont understand people like that “I dont like the default colors”. Its like the ones who dont like Ubuntu’s brown wallpaper.
CHANGE IT!!!

I use 4 different distros over 4 computers and NOT ONE looks like the screenshots because I DONT LIKE the default settings.

We have access to multiple desktop environments that are customizable and with KDE you can make it look like you want it to.

I understand joe public not knowing how to change icons, colors, borders, buttons and so on but not someone testing a beta.

Its not about you, you know.

fold this thread orlando_ombzzz  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 3:48 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

rob i don’t get your point

i) are you saying that desktop environments should come with awful or unpleasant defaults color schemes, because users surely will change them?

ii) do you know that there are some mom-and-daddy-like users that simply don’t like to mess with “configuring” things?

 
fold this thread Dave Taylor  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 10:07 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +3

‘orlando_ombzzz’ did you read what he said? That apart the default settings are very nice in KDE4 for me – the first release where I haven’t had to change much apart from the huge and pronounced fonts. I mean just look at the text used in the menu bar, it appears to be point 12 and in bold!

 
fold this thread gustl  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 6:53 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --3

From what I saw after installation and what I found on the internet, you cannot change the kicker color (KDE 4.1.2, Fedora9).

You can download a different scheme, but if none of those looks nice to you (and none does to me), you are stuck.

Additionally, the system tray background stays at black, no matter what you do.

And no, I don’t want to change some awkward variable in some awkward and unfindable .kde settings file.

I want a “change color” dialog in the menu I get with a right-click.

Searching through a somewhat bloated dialoge box for the right option is still A LOT faster, than having to read several HOWTOs to get the setting adjusted I want to have adjusted.
Heck, I don’t adjust things every 10 minutes anyway, so I am not dependant on the fastest of all possible user interfaces. To the contrary, I want to have a flat learning curve, and that is where the GUI beats the CLI 100 times over.

If I wanted an unconfigurable ugliness, I would have switched to GNOME already a long time ago.

 
fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 7:06 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +3

“I want a “change color” dialog in the menu I get with a right-click.”

use a colorizable theme, such as Aya, and then it follows your desktop color scheme.

what’s interesting is that you are looking for a way to colorize the panel the way kicker did it, by making it’s own settings for all of that stuff.

i’d rather have it follow my desktop settings or else be styled nicely with custom artwork. plasma provides both but does not, unlike kicker, force you to manage colours in multiple places.

some of the problems people are having with plasma are due to us fixing some of the oddnesses in kde2/3′s panels but which they are used to.

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as for the article itself, kget’s plasmoids are not actually shipped with plasma but kget itself, so unfortunately the plasma team doesn’t really get to spend much time with that widget.

crashes with other widgets, etc. are most likely caused by stale applets from other pre-releases? at least right now in trunk, plasma is very stable.

 
fold this thread SK  Wednesday, 22 October 2008 o godz. 6:20 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

>some of the problems people are having with plasma are due to us fixing some of the oddnesses in kde2/3’s panels but which they are used to

I agree. I was really mad when the digital clock applet did not have the option to show time in 12 hour format. I thought it was a bug and would be fixed. I found today that it just follows the global time format defined in the System settings.

 
 
 
 
fold this thread Shamil  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 3:43 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --4

I’m just switching over to gnome temporarily until kde4.2 is out. Kde 3 is really showing it’s age, why temporary gnome. Kde 4.1.2 likes to have lots of random and some predictable system hangups.

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fold this thread Jarl E. Gjessing  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 3:29 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

I have been using 4.1.2 on Opensuse 11.0 now for as long as it’s been in factory.
I’ve not experienced one crash at all. And I use it every day for web programming, watching video, listening music and much much more, still no crashes.
I’m not saying that it’s perfect but the crashes might also be a result of the distro’s implementation of KDE? This is just a question. Since it puzzles me that I do not experience this problem.
I tried the new Mandriva’s KDE. It hanged, it crashed it lagged. I just could not use it for a single day.
It just did not work at all. But that dont make KDE bad it also does not make Mandriva bad, it just makes that particular implementation of KDE on Mandriva bad.

fold this thread Stan  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 2:00 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

> I tried the new Mandriva’s KDE. It hanged, it crashed it
> lagged. I just could not use it for a single day.

I have been using Mandriva 2009.0 powerpack edition since it recently came out and I have not had any problems using kde 4.1.2. I don’t understand how to use it kde 4, but it looks great and it works fine. Every Mandriva edition gets better than the last. It’s the best, and this one completely updated itself from urpmi package manager from 2008.1 just by selecting it like a simple package upgrade! and the system kept running in the mean time and a couple of hours or whatever later, it was just there and running. It was an amazing upgrade.

 
 
 
fold this thread Ajay  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 5:34 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  error

Is webkit kpart upto date yet? I don’t remember if the target to give a choice between KHTML and webkit kparts was on KDE 4.2 or 4.3.

Stigi and Akonadi should also find lot of developments in 4.2

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fold this thread Anders Honore  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 9:23 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

Thanks for the review. Very thorough and good comparisons of what new things we can expect from 4.1.2.

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fold this thread Karthik  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 10:18 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

Good review. I am reluctant to try Kubuntu 8.10 after having tried KDE 4.1 in Kubuntu 8.04. It looks very very appealing but the missing functionalities are frustrating at times. I am also planning to switch temporarily to Ubuntu/Gnome till KDE 4.2 comes out.

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fold this thread riklaunim  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 2:32 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +5

Well, I’m using Archlinux with KDEmod3-legacy ;) And Gentoo with Kde3 and masked Kde4 :) Most distros have still KDE3.

 
 
fold this thread Anmol  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 10:58 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +4

@ Ajay,
You can already choose between KHTML and WebKit through
View(menu)>View Mode>Webkit
But Webkit is missing a lot when compared to KHTML kpart.

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fold this thread toim  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 1:48 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --3

there’s no significant improvement from KDE 4.1 :)
but, KDE still the best desktop environment in Linux

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fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 7:08 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

perhaps this article didn’t do a great job of noting what the improvements are, but there has been probably as much progress between 4.1->4.2 as there was 4.0-4.1.

 
fold this thread David  Thursday, 12 February 2009 o godz. 12:27 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

What?
I am using KDE4 since the early SVN (4.0.0), and believe me, there ARE much changes in 4.1 – 4.2.
Much!
Most of them are transparent, but, for example, 4.1.X’s kopete does not implement the new windows live protocol, it does not run as smooth and stable as 4.2,e tc..

 
 
fold this thread 123123  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 2:51 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --16

KDE 4 is still beta, screw it.

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fold this thread cosk  Saturday, 29 November 2008 o godz. 3:53 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

you will probably say “KDE 4.5 rocks!” all over the net when it becames stable enough… hypocrite

fold this thread Mark  Sunday, 21 December 2008 o godz. 6:55 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

What’s hypocritical about wanting to wait until a more stable version?

 
 
 
fold this thread dude  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 4:43 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --3

Im going to start using KDE 4 in KDE 4.5 release or something. Thre are too much bugs right now.

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fold this thread vi  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 9:11 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --23

Are you kidding me? You start with Konqueror. Konqueror and Koffice are the most hobbyist applications ever. Maybe only about 200 religious fanatics are using it, and they make all the weather beating their drums (seigo is a biggest “cool” loser((cool = loser almost immediately)) )
If Konqueror and Koffice are removed, together with all this desktop crap, from KDE then, at some distant future it might become a decent platform for running decent applications.

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fold this thread Luis  Friday, 17 October 2008 o godz. 9:17 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +5

What a troll. KHTML (even tough I agree that Konqueror need polishing) it’s amazing, that why Apple used it for WebKit, which now is default.

Koffice 2 is looking sweet, it isn’t made to be a Microsoft Office equivalent, it looks a lot more like iWork.

KDE 4.1/.2 it’s already the best desktop available for Linux, period.

 
fold this thread Anmol  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 9:56 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +8

Wow, Nokia Google Apple etc etc are fools to use something created by these “losers”.

Unlike you there are hundred of thousands probably millions who are grateful for everything people in KDE project have contributed to the open-source community, to be used the way we want it, and these guys listen to what users say.

They don’t have to listen, as they are not being paid for their effort. Yet they do. Yet they spend their precious time so that we can have something as cool as KDE.

These people are more than just cool.

Now tell me What YOU have achieved ? What is your contribution ?
Probably nothing, compared to ungrateful @ss%oles like you every one else is cool.

AND BTW, Konqueror is now using plugins, has the Adblock,restores session, is doing smooth scrolling, is awesome file manager etc etc.

There are lot of things that Konqueror can do what more popular browser cannot.
Very soon KOffice will be challenging office suites like MSoffice and OpenOffice.Org, it will go where they cannot like small devices and mobile phones.

And that is a BIG achievement, as they don’t get million or billion dollar funding from Corporate behemoth like Microsoft and Sun.

 
fold this thread Antonius  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 1:23 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Develop a new modern Desktop Enviroment yourself that is not “hobbyist” but absolutely perfect. Then you can call seigo a cool loser. Right now, YOU are the looser (just loser, not cool).

 
fold this thread Mike  Friday, 12 December 2008 o godz. 8:20 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

So wait, whats wrong with Konquerer and koffice? You don’t like them because you assume only religous fanatics use them?? (Not sure where the reasoning is here).

You do know that since it is linux you have lots of options for apps…like firefox and openoffice….

 
 
fold this thread Carlos Arana  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 9:30 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +4

The first things i need are:

1) Multiple rows task manager
2) A default quick launcher applet with multiple rows support

Some changes in that area in your 4.2 deployment?

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fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 7:09 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +7

both are coming in 4.2.

 
 
fold this thread Keith  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 11:30 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Quite true, personally I do not fancy the move to Mac OS X, despite the huge publicity and lures of my peers. If I were to switch to any system, Linux would be my preferred choice. Amongst the various Linux distributions, Ubuntu would have been my preferred choice, although I can make do with Debian and SUSE.

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fold this thread Jiff Minor  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 2:24 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Finally, someone is making some sense of it all! Well done.

Jiff
http://www.online-privacy.se.tc

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fold this thread Raul  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 3:56 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  error

There is already a multiple row task manager plasmoid in kde-look.org, and i kind of remember seing multiple row supported in svn with the default panel, I’m not sure abput the quick launcher

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fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Monday, 20 October 2008 o godz. 11:50 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

both will be in 4.2

 
 
fold this thread Carlos Arana  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 6:44 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Oh and also no auto hide in 4.1.2 incredible!!!!
same thing in 4.2?

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fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 7:12 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +7

there is no auto-hide in 4.1.2 because it wasn’t there in 4.1.0: we don’t add new features to release branches. the x.y.z releases only fix bugs, add translations, etc.

autohide, has been in the development branch for at least 4-6 weeks now and will be part of the 4.2.0 release.

fold this thread Burke  Sunday, 19 October 2008 o godz. 1:52 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

I hace to correct you: KDE 4.1.2 has panel autohide included, as well as all the other options of 4.2 panel-config – as longas you use openSUSE, because the suse-guys backported those features. One reason why suse is a preferred KDE-Disto IMO.

fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Monday, 20 October 2008 o godz. 11:49 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +6

fedora and others are also backporting this stuff, and i had to point them to a patch that fixed a 100% cpu usage bug. personally, i’m very unhappy they are backporting features mid-way through a development cycle as we are still finding and working out bugs.

there’s a reason we have a release schedule, and it’s not to impress the people down the street. these distros are openly violating that cycle, and as a result are bringing bugs that we would never release into their distros.

and who will get the blame? not them, but upstream KDE.

these distros should not be praised, let alone rewarded, for this behaviour, but chastised for inflicting code that isn’t ready on their users at the expense of others.

 
fold this thread Jose  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 8:04 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

Thanks to that you are getting more testing in some features that you would not have otherwise so it’s not completely a bad situation.

 
fold this thread Kevin Kofler  Wednesday, 22 October 2008 o godz. 2:47 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

@Aaron:

We take bugs in the stuff we backport seriously, in fact the whole reason we had this 100% CPU problem at all is that I backported additional bugfixes which are not in the openSUSE backport! It turns out in this case a fix for the fix was needed. ;-)

Additionally, the package with the 100% CPU consumption was in Rawhide for only 1 day and never in any official Fedora release. I reverted the bugfix which introduced the 100% CPU consumption as soon as I got to know the problem (i.e. within hours) and only 8 days later we got the proper fix in (thanks again for your hint!).

We now have 9 revisions of bugfixes beyond the openSUSE backport (866710, 866715, 866998, 868231, 869277, 869882, 869925, 870041 and 871058) and it is working well in our testing. Please don’t think we don’t do QA on the stuff we backport!

Another important thing to consider: While in some cases, you may get bogus bug reports because the fix is already in trunk and we missed it, in other cases bugs are found by people testing the backports which really also affect the trunk (and I really thought this was the case here and I did check for a fix in the trunk (I just missed it), otherwise I wouldn’t have reported it upstream, I’m sorry for that mistake), so the backports can also help you make the next upstream release better.

As for why we backported this feature: Many of our users have been impatiently asking us for this feature, so we believe it is in everyone’s best interest to get it out there as soon as possible. And no, we don’t just dump it out there with all the bugs, we have Rawhide and updates-testing for a reason, and at least 4 people (including me) tested the backports directly from the build system. And as I said, I actively searched the trunk for bugfixes and applied them.

I also expect that once you get to a point where all the big KDE 3.5 features people got used to are also in KDE 4, the pressure on us distributors to backport things will get much lower.

 
fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Wednesday, 19 November 2008 o godz. 3:32 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

“so we believe it is in everyone’s best interest to get it out there as soon as possible”

including not letting us actually finish the features, do the QA, etc on it? rubbish.

listening to your users is one thing, giving them the bad solutions (even if they ask for it explicitly) is quite another.

i’m glad you’re picking up revisions as we go along but that’s such a back-asswards way of doing it. let us complete the features, release them, then merge them. or heck, let us even just *finish* the feature: tell us “we’d like to backport $FOO, let us know when that’s complete enough to backport.” but you, and the other distros, don’t even go that common sense route.

i am, quite frankly, astounded. and not in a good way.

 
 
fold this thread Kevin Kofler  Wednesday, 22 October 2008 o godz. 7:21 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

The problem is that users see missing features which were in 3.5 as bugs. They don’t care that it is because the code is completely different, all they see is that the feature used to be there and no longer is. And thus they expect those features to be readded in bugfix releases. Feature regressions are something which should not be taken lightly.

4.1 is even missing some features from 4.0 (!), like the Plasma tooltips (except if you use the Fedora packages, I backported the tooltip manager from 4.2 even before 4.1.0 was released – the code was out there in time for 4.1, the only reason it didn’t make it in is your inflexible release schedule) or like multi-line taskbars (which were added to 4.0 in 4.0.2, in the upstream backport series you did for 4.0, then got lost from the trunk before 4.1 in some rewrite). This sort of things is extremely frustrating to users and packagers.

 
 
 
fold this thread Andy  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 10:14 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Nice Report, your Site is always worth looking at for news about Projects as KDE4 etc.

Great work!

thanx!

I have kde4.1.2 on my HD but I don’t use it very often, at the moment Gnome is my Desktop of choice. But I’m still observing the evolution of KDE4 until it is ready for a fluent workflow.

What I miss the most is a good skin for gnome-apps under KDE4 – they look ugly and too simple…
So I installed gtk-kde4 now, lets see what this brings…

]andy[

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fold this thread Linux  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 10:48 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Piotr, thanks for another great entry. Your articles about the cutting edge of KDE4 are always a godsend.

As a half-Slav I hope you’ll accept a quick tip from me, that “that” (że) in English is very rarely followed by a comma, except in contrived sentences like this :-)

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fold this thread Linux  Saturday, 18 October 2008 o godz. 10:52 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

s/followed/preceded/

 
fold this thread michuk  Sunday, 19 October 2008 o godz. 11:15 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

To be 100% exact, that’s only second article of Piotr on KDE4, the previous one being KDE4 Devel Live-CD Review: Work in Progress from 25 April 2007.

You probably remembered the articles by Korneliusz Jarzębski who used to write a lot on KDE4 between February and June this year. Korneliusz took a break from writing but we have other authors willing to cover KDE. Soon you can expect a series of articles about KDE 4.2 apps by Tomasz Dudziak, so stay tuned and subscribe to our RSS!

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fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Monday, 20 October 2008 o godz. 11:51 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

it’s really cool that he’s writing these; we miss Jarzebski! still, there are some fairly unfortunate errors in this article; if he’d like someone to fact check articles without publicly releasing his text, Piotr (or whomever) could send their text either to me or to kde-ev-marketing at kde dot org.

 
 
 
fold this thread madlintuxos  Monday, 20 October 2008 o godz. 12:47 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Okular, left side panel, HUGE icons,useless wasting of space, Horrible, why do we need this?

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fold this thread Diego Viola  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 1:05 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

You can right-click and set “Small Icons” and if you don’t want the left side panel you can disable it.

Remember, it’s KDE, you can always customize if you want.

 
 
fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Monday, 20 October 2008 o godz. 11:44 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

> In return we cannot add plasmoids there any more.

That’s what the Toolbox (aka “the cashew”) is for! Mouse over it, click it, Add Applets, rejoice.

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fold this thread Aaron Seigo  Monday, 20 October 2008 o godz. 11:45 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +3

> Okular, left side panel, HUGE icons,useless wasting of space,

you can hide them (Settings menu -> Hide navigation panel; or F7); many people find them very useful

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fold this thread Linus  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 8:25 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

I, for one, find them fantastic.

 
 
fold this thread Andrej C.  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 5:33 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

To all those “I don’t like the defaults so change them” complainers;

#1: I like the default window style and colours
#2: I like the default oxygen icons
#3: I like the default oxygen plasma theme
#4: I like the overall defaults

So if I like them, there are surely others who do the same. If you don’t like them change them. It’s not like you don’t have the option. Individual complainers about defaults do nothing but harm not just to KDE but any other FOSS project.

I suggest you make your perfect theme and start a petition. Let’s see how many peoples’ signatures you get willing to have your theme as the default.

KDE 4.1.2 works perfectly fine for me on Mandriva. There are still some graphic glitches mostly due to nVidia’s drivers but even that’s improving quite fast. Given the rapid development of KDE4 series, 4.2 will definitely rock!

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fold this thread Charles K  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 5:41 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Great work guys, anyone working on ECU tuning and / or datalogging software? Would be interested to join in. Best wishes.

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fold this thread Pino Toscano  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 8:47 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Additional Okular note: I planned a couple more of (hopefully useful) features for KDE 4.2. I hope to have at least a basix versio of them…

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fold this thread bob  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 11:45 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

well im using kde 4 since 4.1 everyday. I didnt’ like kde3 so much, but now it has replaced gnome and some wm i was using. light and does the job, pretty happy with it.

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fold this thread Cato Kalin  Tuesday, 21 October 2008 o godz. 9:00 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Typical linux responses to criticism:

1) Works for me.
2) If you don’t like it change it/write it yourself.
3) The devs are not getting paid, you should worship at their feet.
4) You only think you need that feature because you’re accustomed to using in every single other GUI ever written. But we know better.

All of those are present in this discussion.

The cold hard fact is that KDE 4.x bites, it has bitten since it was released and it will continue to bite well into the future. Features are broken or incomplete and it is very buggy.

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fold this thread Mike  Friday, 12 December 2008 o godz. 8:42 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

You forgot a point…

5)If you don’t like it don’t use it

Use gnome, or kde 3, or mac or windows (I guess).

I love kde4, since 4.1 I haven’t had much trouble at all with it (my xp install has been much more buggy lately).

I don’t use Linux because it is perfect, or has every feature imaginable, I use it because it’s stable and doesn’t cost me $700 every 4 years. It’s not perfect, but it’s getting better every day. I used to have a huge list of things that I could do on windows but not on Linux, now it’s down to 4 things, most of which are not the fault of any linux dev.

-printer not supported (I have to stop buying lexmark)
-old tv card not supported (it’s barely suported under windows)
-never been able to get amarok to output in 5.1 surround (although apparently it has been done)

And for something that I paid nothing for, and gets major updates every 6 months, i’m not complaining at all.

fold this thread Mike  Friday, 12 December 2008 o godz. 8:43 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

*edit…only 3 things…

 
 
 
fold this thread hdaz  Wednesday, 22 October 2008 o godz. 12:04 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

Aaron Seigo,

You are kidding with the backporting post I hope????????
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fedora and others are also backporting this stuff, and i had to point them to a patch that fixed a 100% cpu usage bug. personally, i’m very unhappy they are backporting features mid-way through a development cycle as we are still finding and working out bugs.

there’s a reason we have a release schedule, and it’s not to impress the people down the street. these distros are openly violating that cycle, and as a result are bringing bugs that we would never release into their distros.

and who will get the blame? not them, but upstream KDE.

these distros should not be praised, let alone rewarded, for this behaviour, but chastised for inflicting code that isn’t ready on their users at the expense of others.
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“are openly violating that cycle”

No they are trying to make KDE a little more usable for the
“” user “” they are not violating anything unless you think they are breaking the GNU LGPL or any other license??

“but chastised for inflicting code that isn’t ready on their users at the expense of others”

I guess you mean like you guys did with KDE 4 or KDE 4.0 after two years of development and hype and then thought ooops we forgot something here..

KDE4x can get there you released KDE3.5.x keep Polishing.

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fold this thread hdaz  Wednesday, 22 October 2008 o godz. 12:08 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

oh maybe KDE n GNOME or any Linux popular desktop should learn from MS…..

Big bang works only if your user can get back to where they are right now…. and then make their own steps forward in your brave new world… ;)

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fold this thread Carcara  Wednesday, 22 October 2008 o godz. 1:03 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

… I continue with the kde 3.5.x……… I think that only kde 4.5 will be really fine.

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fold this thread Iñaki Aguirre  Wednesday, 22 October 2008 o godz. 2:48 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Will multiple split view be available in Dolphin as we had in Konqueror 3.5?
I’d also refine Oxigen interface for not wasting as much space as it does for example leaving those huge grey empty areas (i.e: the grey space between my Konqueror’s menu bar and tools bar is as thick as the menu bar) and progress bars, or at least provide the possibility of configure it in systemsettings.

Other than, just to thank the KDE developers and tell the author that since KDE 4.1 Plasma does not crash at all on my two Debian Lenny/Sid computers (CPU usage is another thing, but it seems it’s my Nvidia VGA’s driver fault)

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fold this thread pantsgolem  Thursday, 23 October 2008 o godz. 6:55 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  error

Out of curiosity, is there a technical reason why “Add Widgets” isn’t in the context menu for foldierview-is-desktop mode? It seems to me like more feature parity between the modes would be best.

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fold this thread saihate  Wednesday, 29 October 2008 o godz. 10:26 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Yes, there is a technical reason. Right now “Add widgets” and the other entries in the menu are handled by the default desktop containment and not plasma. Since folder view is able to work as an applet too those entries should not appear.

Maybe this could be fixed when 4.3 comes.

 
 
fold this thread norwegian student  Saturday, 15 November 2008 o godz. 12:08 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I use opensuse 11, kde 4.1.3 (scared that 4.2.x could be hard to install, or hard to maintain).
Recent week I got some amazing upgrades: (kde 4.1x updates almost each day here for me, and that’s sweet)
-”Bling” update: one of the graphic themes recently(crystal or something) just made it all more usable and more beautiful.
-Session handling in konqueror, and konqueror got more options and fells faster
The only things I feel i miss now is:
-amarok4 working, because I am tired using it without sound (its looking much nicer than 3 already, I and did not like the remake…
-possibility to change colour on my task bar (the updates this week made it transparent, and I could only fix the clock-colour
-more plasmoids (way to hard to wait for them, need them now…..)
Its hard to wait for 4.2.x, I read to much about it, and think I will switch soon if its easy to switch, and if it is stable.
Not looking forward for an update to 11.1 to, knowing it might be hassle, but knowing I will do it soon after having read to much about the new features…

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fold this thread Larsen  Tuesday, 17 February 2009 o godz. 3:27 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I am using nvidia graphics card on my hp pavililon laptop.
I am using ubuntu 8.10 and gnome, as kde 3.5 has been removed, and I cannot get it installed.
I try kde 4.x from time to time, but just now the screen is so dark, that I cannot see much, so I have given op for the time being, and reverted to gnome.
Pity, because kde 3.5 worked well for me, and the people could have waited to remove it until 4.x was working – not very good for ubuntu.
It seems the developement of linux is going so fast, that there always seems to be problems (a program who works well does not work in the next newer version) – and just when you have got used to a program, a newer version comes out, and you have to start all over again.
At least the developers could do their development in the background, and let the gui’s untouched, so people can continue using the programs.
Anyway I am a destinguished linux user, and just tell what I experience, and encourage the developers to continue, but maybe do some rethinking about this sometimes too fast development :-)

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