Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon: Critical review

[ Thursday, 18 October 2007, michuk ]


Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon has been released today. I haven’t tested any alpha or beta versions of the new product from Canonical. I have decided to wait for the Release Candidate, since this has proved to work for me in the past. In short: it did not disappoint me. The new Ubuntu is more polished, more professional and in general, better than the previous one, which was already a great OS. Minor glitches? Present, as always.

Author: Borys Musielak

Installation

There are two installation options: from a live CD and from an alternative CD. I chose the latter since I wanted to examine all options, not just the default ones selected for newcomers in the Live-CD installer. I am not put off by text-mode installers (hey, I’ve been using Debian for years!) and I like to have control over what I install on my computer, thus the alternate CD is just for me.

I have not noticed anything suspicious during the installation. It went smoothly, although I wish it was faster. Installing the packages seemed to take forever. On my still-quite-modern computer it took something like 45 minutes to get the system up and running — certainly too much.

Selection of apps

The applications installed by default in Ubuntu did not change dramatically from the previous release. We still have Firefox for web browsing, OpenOffice.org as the main office suite, Pidgin (old name: Gaim) for instant messaging, Evolution for e-mail, Rhythmbox for music, Totem for video and the GIMP for image manipulation. There are also little apps for image viewing, sound recording and creating audio CDs. Nothing too surprising. Rather conservative choices, I would say.


Pic. The GIMP in Ubuntu 7.10

A program I would like to mention is Disk Usage Analyzer (also known as Baobab). This nice little tool can graphically represent the unused space on all of our partitions as well as remote filesystems (available via SSH, FTP, DAV, Windows share and other). It resembles Filelight, a KDE app created for the same purpose. I only wish it remembered the scanned folders after closing it and opening again. Currently it requires a re-scan each time.


Pic. Disk Usage Analyzer

There was one more nice add-on in the Gutsy release. I’m not an expert in fonts but I have noticed a considerable difference in font displaying, at least in Firefox. They look better. No idea why, but they do. It seems they are sharper and the anti-aliasing is not as high as before. I have a suspicion that they look more Windows-like now. Well, take a look at these two screenshots of polishlinux.org — the first is under Feisty Fawn, second under Gutsy Gibbon.

 
Pic. Font rendering in Firefox: Feisty on the left, Gutsy on the right

Localization

I’m Polish. I want to use Polish TODO diacritics signs when I write stuff. As I installed Ubuntu in offline mode (I did not have access to the Internet at the time) I did not get any locale-specific packages. Fortunately, when I connected it sufficed to go to System->Administration->Languages, set “Polish” and apply. It automatically installed Polish localization for GNOME and other apps like Firefox and OpenOffice.org together with a Polish aspell dictionary and such. Great! After rebooting I was enjoying the user interface in my native language. Just after that I wanted to write some post on a Polish Linux website and… I experienced a zonk: I could not type Polish! This was because the right Alt key in combination with letters like ‘a’, ‘n’ or ‘o’ did not produce Polish-specific letters like ‘ą’, ‘ń’ or ‘ó’. I solved the problem by issuing: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. The two errors were:

  • keyboard type was set to ‘us’ instead of ‘pl’,
  • keyboard options were set to ‘lv3:lalt_switch’ (for whatever reason) instead of blank.

Applying the changes and restarting the X server with CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE helped. I suspect the reason Ubuntu messed up the configuration was that I used the automatic keyboard detection during the installation. It ordered me to type multiple letters and then figured out my keyboard type. Apparently the guess was far from right :)

This was a minor problem for me since I knew what to do to fix it. I guess that for a newcomer this could be a stopper. I hope that the keyboard detector works better in the Live-CD version, as well.

One more strange thing concerning the localization is that… folder names are now localized as well. “Desktop” disappeared from my home folder and it has been replaced with “Pulpit” (which is the Polish word for it). It’s probably a good and natural thing to do. In Windows these have been localized for ages. Still, to me this is an unnecessary trouble.

 
Pic. Localized folder names in Nautilus

Using Ubuntu 7.10

During the first run, Ubuntu told me that my battery sucks (which is true) and that in order to use some hardware I need to enable restricted drivers. I didn’t even realize I have some hardware that requires it in my laptop. It turned out to be an internal modem which I have never used, and don’t plan to in the near future.

 
Pic. Useful information about computer hardware

Knowing that only few essential codecs are installed by default, I tried playing some DVD movies and listening to some music I had on my hard drive. Totem told me that I cannot play DVDs because I did not have “appropriate plugin” and offered me to install one. I could not test if it worked out because I was not connected and the file it wanted to get was not present on the installation CD (for legal reasons, I understand).

 
Pic. Totem tries to help…

Rhythmbox was not even that nice. When I told it to import my Music folder it started to throw errors on every file scanned! It said that “gstreamer plugins to decode MP3 files cannot be found”. I know exactly what it means and that in order to fix that I need to search for “gstreamer mp3″ in Synaptic and install the right plugin. A newbie will have no idea what the guy is talking about. What’s “gstreamer”? Why is it trying to “decode” something when I just want to play music? Why can’t it find the freaking MP3 thing? Is it broken or what?

Don’t misunderstand me — I know very well why MP3 support is not on by default in Ubuntu. The newbie user, however, doesn’t have a clue. Perhaps it would be a good idea to let them know instead of frustrating him with error messages he will never understand.

 
Pic. Rhythmbox — no MP3 support but great OGG playback

After all, I could only play my OGG music files, which is understood. One thing that surprised me was that after accidentally pressing a special key — “volume up” — on my laptop keyboard … it just worked. So did, as I immediately checked, other multimedia keys: play/still, stop, forward, backward and mute. And a nice graphical symbol appeared when I was playing with the sound. Simply incredible :)


Pic. Nice Compiz widget for volume manipulation

The next things I wanted to examine were the battery options. First, I tried suspending the laptop. It went to sleep immediately, and after waking up a GNOME password dialog appeared (same as the one that appears after locking the screen). I entered the password and saw this:

 
Pic. My desktop after waking up from suspend mode

The system apparently woke up, because just after pressing “enter” the music came back and all seemed to function fine. Well, aside from the Picasso-looking desktop I had in front of me. After a few tries, I figured out the one responsible: Compiz. Now I know that before suspending or hibernating my Ubuntu box I need to press ALT+F2 and enter the command metacity --replace. This kills Compiz window manager and goes back to the traditional one. Metacity does not try to impress me with a cubist desktop. It just wakes up and allows me to work. I didn’t think that getting Compiz back up would be a problem after the computer was back to work. Wrong! Getting back to Compiz, I get the Picasso again! So this is screwed up for good, I thought. I killed Compiz and have never thought about it since then.

One more issue with suspend/hibernate… the wifi network. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. If it’s down, the only way to get it back seems to be through restarting the dbus subsystem:

sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart.

This usually does the job. If not, try the same command a few times. Finally it catches.

What else? Well… not too much, actually. I installed ubuntu-restricted-extras and Windows fonts to get all the fancy non-free software that everyone but RMS uses on their Linux boxes. I also installed Liferea, PSI messenger and Opera — which are my apps of choice for RSS, IM and browsing — and got back to work.

Summary of pros and cons

Here is a short summary of all the nice surprises and those unfortunate events I experienced during my work on the latest Ubuntu. I know some of you only read the lists and tables so I tried to make this a comprehensive list.

Positives:

  • WiFi support with WEP during system installation (even in console mode!)
  • System speed and responsiveness, both boot-up and actual work with the OS is way faster than in the previous release.
  • Eventually it detected my widescreen monitor and set it up correctly during the installation (I almost got used to 600×400 resolution with my new Ubuntu boxes already :P )
  • Sensible 3D effects selection: not too fancy; just enough to give Ubuntu a modern yet professional look and feel.
  • Tracker (full-text file search) works without any actions. No complaints, yet.
  • Automatic detection of existing systems, proper GRUB configuration.
  • Automatic detection and mounting of all system partitions (including the NTFS one).
  • Option to install the OS on encrypted partitions (available only when installing from the Alternate CD as I did) — this is a real killer-feature!
  • Fonts (in Firefox) look even better
  • No problem with repositories in this release. All are easy to activate and there was no need to manually enter new ones to get non-free add-ons and other proprietary software like Opera or Adobe Reader.

Negatives:

  • For a beginner: still too hard to get DVD playback, MP3 support and all other stuff that almost everyone uses and needs anyway.
  • Hibernate, suspend: if activated it should work. It does work on my laptop — I’m sure about that since it worked in Feisty Fawn. Thus, either do not activate Compiz for my laptop or make it work with sleep options!
  • No easy way to turn Compiz off and replace it with Metacity (and no explanation why in some cases this should be a preferable option) (update: just go to Preferences-> Apperarance -> “Visual Effects” and select “NONE”, thanks to Sean for this, I must have been blind)

Final thoughts

After all that, I’m happy with Ubuntu 7.10 Gutsy Gibbon. The installation has been so far very usable — not a single stability issue during the testing week! The problems that occurred were very easy for me to solve (but remember — I’m an experienced Linux user grown up on Debian, so I’m used to playing around with dpkg and such). It looks like the Ubuntu team spent a lot of time polishing the details for the Gutsy release, which is a rare case in the world of Linux distributions. Still, a newcomer used to Windows won’t be able to use the system without assistance or at least some Google searching. I’m not saying it’s very bad, I’m just saying that in order to set it up, a neighborhood geek is still required. After it’s up and running, not even Auntie Debbie should experience any major issues.


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73 Comments

fold this thread Leszek Tarkowski  Thursday, 18 October 2007 o godz. 10:33 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

For me big disappointment is fact that 2.6.22 kernel has some troubles with my notebook. I understand that this is not ubuntu team fault, but still in feisty they pathed it. It is unusable because neither acpi-cpufreq nor speedstep-centrino is working (formerly it was the later that works), and notebook fan is buzzing at high speed as processor is working at maximal frequency…

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fold this thread Coffee  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 10:16 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

> For me big disappointment is fact that 2.6.22 kernel has
> some troubles with my notebook … It is unusable because
> neither acpi-cpufreq nor speedstep-centrino is working
> … and notebook fan is buzzing at high speed as
> processor is working at maximal frequency

… same here. My HP nx5000 won’t even shut down or restart with Ubuntu 7.10. I hope very much that this will be fixed soon because in its current state Gutsy is unusable for me.

fold this thread circlingthesun  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 1:47 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Bummer! I had the same problem on feisty. Just wouldn’t work on some of my pc’s. It was fixed in gutsy.
I’d really like to encourage you guys to try some of the test releases next time. Then file a bug report at launchpad if you get these kinda problems so the ubuntu team can rectify it before the final release.
Testing a distro and making sure it runs on all kinds of hardware is a really big task and your input just makes it a lot easier and results in a better OS for everyone.

 
 
fold this thread orzeuek  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 12:26 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I also had these issues in feisty and gutsy with my Centrino 1,6G HP nx6110. All the change-freq-applets shown an no-speedstep-support erro. Problem was solved with removing apmd (leave acpi), installing powernowd [which fully supports not only AMD CPUs, but Intels too and then install emifreq-applet. All is working good.

 
fold this thread Rubén Tojeiro Cordal  Wednesday, 31 October 2007 o godz. 3:41 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --22

Ha, ha, ha! Asshole! If you can’t sort that out maybe you should go back to Windows! Dummy! And learn to write properly in English or stay in rotten Russia, dumbass!

fold this thread Justin  Wednesday, 31 October 2007 o godz. 10:56 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Are you kidding me? Are you actually that bigoted and ignorant? I do hope that you can learn to offer something a little more productive than hate-mongering. Not everyone has English as their first (or second) language. Learn to be more tolerant and understanding. And remind me again of what site this is? POLISH Linux.Org? Perhaps that first word (capitalized and separated it for you, in case you didn’t comprehend) might give you a hint.

 
fold this thread Dur?  Thursday, 1 November 2007 o godz. 7:14 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

(hehe, he thought it was “polish”, as in what one might do to a car >.

fold this thread michuk  Thursday, 1 November 2007 o godz. 9:18 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

(hehe, he thought it was “polish”, as in what one might do to a car >.

It actually is.

 
 
 
fold this thread Jan  Thursday, 20 November 2008 o godz. 11:37 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Whenever I wake from hibernating my Ubuntu box it’s also stuck white screen. Leaving it on 30min doesn’t help, you must ‘touch’ each window and wait 5-10s for it to ‘wake up’ then ‘touch’ the next window. Sometimes one ‘touch’ doesn’t do it. By the time the box is usable, I may have rebooted from scratch and saved frustration.

 
 
fold this thread Sean  Thursday, 18 October 2007 o godz. 10:43 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +3

“No easy way to turn Compiz off and replace it with Metacity (and no explanation why in some cases this should be a preferable option)”

I think thats no completly right,

Just go to Preferences-> Apperarance -> “Visual Effects” and select “NONE”
this should completly turn of compiz and use metacity as window manager.

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fold this thread michuk  Thursday, 18 October 2007 o godz. 11:18 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

You are right. Still the fact I could not find it easily (as a 3-year Ubuntu user) makes it hard to call it “user-friendly”.
Or perhaps I’m just blind.

PS. I updated the article.

fold this thread Sean  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 5:19 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

yes thx for the reference, that sometimes happens even with the most skilled eyes ;)

….btw. I was kinda disappointed myself, finding no option to configure the effects.
well maybe I’m goin’ blind as well :P

fold this thread John  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 6:26 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

Actually, if you install compizconfig-settings-manager from the universe repository, you have access to a ridiculous amount of options (at least this worked for me last night while test driving the live cd). I found that info from:

http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/10/04/compiz-fusion-on-ubuntu-710-gutsy-gibbin/

 
 
fold this thread Steve Olcott  Tuesday, 23 October 2007 o godz. 8:44 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

This option was also in the same place in Feisty, except by default the visual effects were turned off so a lot of people probably never noticed it.

 
 
 
fold this thread Gawron  Thursday, 18 October 2007 o godz. 11:04 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

What laptop (model) do you have?

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fold this thread michuk  Thursday, 18 October 2007 o godz. 11:06 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

HP dv1074ea

 
 
fold this thread Johannes Eva  Thursday, 18 October 2007 o godz. 11:31 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Just installed it on a dell X1 latitude, works perfectly out of the box.
I have to say, it’s the first time a linux distribution works out of the box for this machine :)
Locale settings work for me, I have a spanish+french+german+english+chinese simpl. linux box – tough some trouble with SCIM.
If you didn’t already, install gutsy!!!

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fold this thread Andrew Schulman  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 2:18 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

Thanks for the tip about restarting wifi after waking from suspend. I figured that something had to be restarted, but never could figure out what it was.

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fold this thread MacLone  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 6:04 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Oh well…i would like to play with ubuntu but My Dell inspiron 1100 with 845 chipset rejects almost every distro. Ubuntu 7.10 was no different. Just PClinuxos and dreamlinux can run on it.

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fold this thread ericsancho  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 3:59 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Try Puppy Linux!
I love it!

 
fold this thread happyhog  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 12:00 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

The only Ubuntu version I have had work on my Dell 1100 (without issues) is Dapper – (and previous Ubuntu versions) it seems the later versions have hardware issues with this notebook – must be getting time to get a new computer. Dapper has my OS of choice since it came out.
I have tried PClinix but it kept crashing
OpenSuse worked well but was slow compared to Ubuntu

 
fold this thread Cammy  Saturday, 10 November 2007 o godz. 3:34 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I have an Inspiron 1100 with 7.10 running without problems (other than the Wifi card is a bit moody).

You have to install in safe graphics mode, then press f6 and add “nolapic acpi-off” to the install params (before the –).

I’d also make sure to get the bios up to date. You can flash it to A22, then to A32 (can’t do the whole jump at once).

My only real issue is that it takes eons to boot up, but other than that, it’s made use out of a tired old laptop.

 
 
fold this thread Cevo  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 9:20 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +3

I am no Ubuntu freak, but I just wish to compliment you on a very good review. 9 out of 10 reviews are written in the style ‘I popped in the CD, it actually installed and OOOH, it is SOOO good’!

You actually highlighted the good and the bad in a concise and clear way. Very good!

I would love for you to review MEPIS 7 when it goes final, would love to hear your opinion.

Cheers

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fold this thread Ikkie  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 10:45 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

Critics are everywhere…

 
 
fold this thread just_my_two_cents  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 1:56 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

mp3, dvd, and all the other restricted drivers are as-easy-as-possible to install. especially all this video-codec-stuff – as a windows-user you have to look and search for yourself for the correct driver (or at least the correct driver-package if you know that they exist).
in ubuntu – since 7.04 you just opened a video and it tells you that it has to install something out of the internet to show this video. well, windows says the same without even doing anything, ubuntu just downloads the correct codes and not 2 minutes later you watch the video with the codec you didn´t had before.
you dont even have to know WHICH codec you installed, it just works.
the same with mp3´s – yesterday i put up my new 7.10 and i just had to nod “yes” one time, enter my password and could listen to all the music i had on my pc. when i installed amarok (my favorite mp3-player) i had to do the same another time again but then it also worked. so i would say that it was never easier to get a system running than the new ubuntu

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fold this thread michuk  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 2:22 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I was testing these features with no Internet connection. And when I got connected I just wanted to install all at once. I found no easy way to do it. Of course I knew about the ubuntu-restricted-extras package but if I didn’t I would be stuck.

Well we’re all complaining but it’s the best GNU/Linux system I have encountered so far anyway. And way easier than Windows XP or Vista (there I never know how to install anything without taking the risk to get affected by malware) — that’s for sure :)

 
 
fold this thread kazuya  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 3:45 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Very good review. Your review summarized my experience. I did one more thing which is to go and select 1280X1024 resolution to make my desktop appear larger. This distro was really polished.. The package manager may be slow right now as tons of folks are all trying to get their updates at the sametime.

This release blew me away like dapper drake first did to me.

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fold this thread Phil  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 5:06 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Thank you for the detailed review.

I realize that this is subjective, but one of the things I don’t like about Ubuntu is the thin, wire-like fonts. I want my fonts to look more like a Mac’s fonts than Windows. Fedora’s fonts are fuller, more like the Mac’s. On Fiesty, I can get better looking fonts by turning down the hinting to Slight, or None – this helps quite a bit on Firefox. But the fonts on the GNOME menus then appear a jagged – thin in some places, full in others. Ug!

I like everything about Ubuntu – just the fonts. I’ll try Gutsy and see if the Hinting configuration helps more than in Fiesty. But from the look of the Firefox screenshots in the review, it looks like Ubuntu’s font philosophy at least, is tending even more toward wirey Windows-like font appearance. :/ I don’t mind what defaults the Ubuntu team chooses, just give me the ability to return my fonts to something that looks fuller – with recognizable shapes / glyphs. Windows XP’s shoddy handling of fonts is not something to be emulated.

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fold this thread Sean  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 5:25 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Hi use these:
http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3499

all credits to the original poster @ the mint forum. Works pretty good and looks gorgeous.
Anyhow I agree with you on your fonts opinion.

 
 
fold this thread airdrik  Friday, 19 October 2007 o godz. 8:58 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

When you consider that it takes the neighborhood geek to get a windows box up and running, saying that it takes the neighborhood geek to get Ubuntu up and running isn’t really all that descriptive.

You could, however, say that it takes less time for the neighborhood geek to get Ubuntu up and running than to get Windows up and running (we’re talking from scratch here), or that it takes your computer-savvy teenage son to set it up, or the average person who isn’t put off by technical details.

Which brings up another question that doesn’t require an immediate answer, but should be addressed by anyone distributing linux or any software product: How can we (the linux community) present the technical details to beginners in a beginner-friendly manner?

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fold this thread Greg  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 4:39 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Provide documentation with not just the how-to, but the why-to. I am new to the Linux community and I can often times find out how to do something, but I rarely find a description of why I am doing what I am doing. For instance:

One more issue with suspend/hibernate… the wifi network. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. If it’s down, the only way to get it back seems to be through restarting the dbus subsystem:

sudo /etc/init.d/dbus restart.

Why does restartig the dbus subsystem make the problem go away? I don’t mean to sound like I am critizing Borys. He did a very good review. I am just saying that, as a newbie, I would like to see a little more information of the why so that I can learn a little faster.

fold this thread Eel  Tuesday, 30 October 2007 o godz. 12:27 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

restarting the dbus subsytem restarts NetworkManager which is the program which controls the wireless network connection.

I have had a ton of problems in gutsy with wireless (I upgraded a month after fiesty’s release which was probably a bad idea). I have a script which I use when nothing else works:
sudo iwconfig eth1 essid $1 || exit 1
iwconfig eth1
sudo dhclient3 eth1 || exit 1
ifconfig eth1

However, Gutsy was the first release since Dapper that allowed me to hibernate my Sony VAIO VGN-250E

 
 
 
fold this thread Haseeb  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 12:25 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

well, you know there are some copyright stuffs linux guys have to consider. Anyway, for those who want to skip the hassles, just install Automatix2. This is the number one priority task for a Ubuntu user.
Finally, I want to say thanks to the reviewer. It’s a nice and well written review imo.

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fold this thread michuk  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 1:38 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I did not want to use Automatix2 since I had bad experience with this software. It appeared to mess up my systems (and I was not the only example). Ubuntu-restricted-extras package solves it all anyway.

 
fold this thread Dennis Krøger  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 8:54 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

DO NOT install Automatix 2… It’s the worst thing you can do to your system…

Want to upgrade it later? Bummer, you installed Automatix, it’ll be hosed. Need to do larger changes to your system (Like installing another Desktop Environment)? Bummer, you installed Automatix, it’ll be hosed.

The worst part is that Ubuntu will be blamed, just because some morons decided not to use the standard system, but to screw with the systems inner workings instead… FOR ABSOLUTELY NO NEED! All of what Automatix does could easily have been done by adding a simple repository…

I better repeat again, if you want a stable, upgradable system, DO NOT use Automatix.

 
 
fold this thread Smile  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 2:48 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

about MP3 i think i have read that vlc-player is working for linux. i never really used linux before

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fold this thread Angel  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 8:36 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Im in love of a Gusty Gibbon, as simple as that. I like all the eye Candy they put in here! I spend most of my time just checking that, I dont have a much powerful PC with a just regular 128 Graphic card and still most of the effects (Except the Rain ones) shows smoothly and without problems. With this Release, everyone can have a showy Operative System ;)

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fold this thread Jake Conroy  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 8:47 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Ubuntu 7.10 is the only distro I’ve used that worked with my Ralink wireless USB card without any configuration at all. Before I downloaded Ubuntu I was messing around with other distros for weeks trying, to no avail, to get my card up and running. Thanks Ubuntu!

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fold this thread Arnie  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 3:33 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

This is an excellent review which reflects my experience loading Gutsy.

Since I wanted a good idea on how well an average user could install and setup this very much anticipated distribution, I gave it to 3 moderately computer literate high school students with no Linux knowledge and let them load it on a 500mhz tower. With almost no supervision, they setup and ran in only a short while, with static IP addressing and security updates done.

Their comments: “Cool, but how do I play my music?”, “Where do you go to play movies,” and “It’s brown!” I realize the legal issues involved. Nevertheless, this is as close to an “it just works” operating system as I have seen.

Thanks for your tips on gstreamer and compizconfig.

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fold this thread BJ  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 5:59 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Just curious have you tried/checked System/Preferences/Keyboard to set your polish keyboard instead of modifying your xorg configuration?

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fold this thread michuk  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 9:17 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Oops.. I guess I still need to get used to the GUI way in Ubuntu…
Or they need to have a more friendly Control Panel..
Or both :)

No, haven’t tried it.

 
 
fold this thread Jon  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 9:17 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Applying the changes and restarting the X server with CTRL+ALT+DEL helped.

Shouldn’t it be CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE to restart the X server?

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fold this thread michuk  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 10:40 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Of course I meant it. Fixed.

 
 
fold this thread Igor  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 9:25 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Try to open a mp3 file in totem first then try Rhythmbox

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fold this thread Bob  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 10:01 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Ubuntu Gutsy is better than Feisty. Still not perfect, but a whole lot better. For me, it does not blow up on takeoff (after install Feisty wouldn’t boot off the hdd, Gutsy does), and most everything works as expected. Its well polished. Could possibly be better, but already a marked improvement. (Sound of corks popping for the latest Ubuntu).

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fold this thread Earl  Saturday, 20 October 2007 o godz. 11:45 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

This is a good review. I like the way you make your points and actually give me some information.

There is one question I have not only for you but authors of reviews in general … what difference does the installation time make? I only install once and not every time I boot.

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fold this thread Mark  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 3:19 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Installation time matters to me only in a relative sense. Though I haven’t installed Gutsy Gibbon yet, if it were to take me this author’s same 45 minutes, I would be dissatisfied because my Mepis and PCLinuxOS installations took at least 10 minutes less than that.

However, I also agree with the “I only install once and not every time I boot” comment. A slow install would bother me, but I’m sensible enough to know that it’s a one-off issue. Still, if one full-featured Linux install can take me around 30-35 minutes, I want to know why they all can’t, and (if all other aspects are relatively equal) I might tend to recommend the distros with shorter install times to my friends.

 
 
fold this thread verbalshadow  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 12:46 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Install time is quite important. There are two type of install time OS and User Apps & Preferances.

Install time for the OS is important not just because it sets up expections. Having installed Windows XP more times than i care to count the installer lies about the time it will take. In the case of Ubuntu & Other Linux distros they install a more complete system then windows in less time then it normally take to just install windows.

So, the faster an install is the quicker you will be able to move on to User Apps & Preferances and get on with doing what you want.

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fold this thread Robert  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 3:57 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Any idea how this release works with the Broadcom Wi-Fi cards?I am fairly new to Linux and cannot get Linux Mint or Fedora 7 to work on my Presario 2195US with the Broadcom card.

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fold this thread sean  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 4:41 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

i got my broadcom card working using this guide on the ubuntu forums. of course you’ll need a wired connection to get going.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx/Feisty_No-Fluff#head-818e0ccb34dc3e6733f798494fb6ce95ea5548c6

fold this thread Robert  Friday, 26 October 2007 o godz. 1:01 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Thanks.I would think they would have addressed this issue by now.Seems ridiculous to go through all this to get a wi-fi card to work.

 
 
 
fold this thread John  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 4:29 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Best review I’ve seen so far. I’m gonna wait a couple of weeks before replacing Feisty with Gutsy, but it’s nice to see a review like these to prepare myself for what is coming. Thanks.

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fold this thread Skip  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 6:10 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

First off, excellent review. Dziekuje :)

For those who’ve commented about have trouble with certain wifi cards in ubuntu, I recommend wicd:
http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
Basically it just works (even in WPA mode) and it gives you a nice user interface to see and connect to the wifi networks in range.

I’m actually downloading the alternate (great recommendation by the way) right now. I wanted to wait a few days before I got it so that way the servers are hammered by one less download in the crucial first days.

I’ve been running ubuntu (and kubuntu and xubuntu) on various computers for about a year now. I’m very pleased with the distribution and I’ve even installed 7.04 on some of my friends’ computers.

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fold this thread Randy  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 8:56 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Any chance to drop that nazi-brown color? It’s really disgusting!

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fold this thread MichaelH  Monday, 22 October 2007 o godz. 9:21 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

FYI, the 3 colours used in the Ubuntu theme (Brown, Red and orange) are the colours of Africa. I am not sure if any Africans would appreciate your description of one of their national colours used within the theme as nazi.
Just get yourself a wallpaper to your liking and be done with it.

 
fold this thread Robert  Friday, 26 October 2007 o godz. 1:10 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

You are kidding right?Since when is brown a nazi color?Black,White and Red my friend were the colors of the nazi flag.All the things to either complain about or give kudos for and this is the best you can come up with?

 
 
fold this thread salparadise  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 10:54 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Ubuntu doesn’t use a “nazi-brown” colour. THere’s no such thing as “nazi-brown”. Just because they wore brown shirts doesn’t mean brown is nazi.
Deary me, some people do get worked up!

I do agree it’s a dreary colour, but then again, it makes a change from blue which is more or less default on all other OS’s/distros.

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fold this thread Jonas  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 12:25 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

You are wrong about it being hard to get MP3 support working: You didn’t try *simply doubleclicking an MP3 file*, if you had, it would have downloaded and installed the codecs for you, and it would work across the system.

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fold this thread aguafuertes  Sunday, 21 October 2007 o godz. 5:37 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

That is correct – but if a user behaves differently (for whatever reason), that should also be taken care of. In this case, I think it is a valuable hint that Borys gave to the Ubuntu developers (users might try to import files into Rhythmbox instead of simply clicking a file), so they can polish the MP3 handling even further.

Great review!

 
 
fold this thread Arun  Monday, 22 October 2007 o godz. 12:34 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

Mandriva Rocks… Its the best distro ever.. GNOME is just hard to use..

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fold this thread william moon  Monday, 22 October 2007 o godz. 3:11 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

My fujitsu 2001 laptop has aways worked with ubuntu or kubuntu but will not boot to a windows manager with 7.10 so i look forward to 8.04.

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fold this thread Phil Pinkerton  Tuesday, 23 October 2007 o godz. 8:52 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Warning !! Warning !! Danger !!

Before installing wicd I at least had a hardwire lan connection (eth0).

After installing I had neither a wireless connection nor a lan connection.

Matter of fact after the install my system no longer even recognized my eth0 hardware.

My wireless hardware is an atheros-ar5007eg which I found out is not yet available for Gutsy 7.10.

So back to Windows until Ubuntu gets their driver act together, as my Nvidia 7000m and Orbi-Cam (m560x) also are not supported and they do not work with Ubuntu Linux.

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fold this thread Olger Diekstra  Thursday, 25 October 2007 o godz. 1:44 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Ubuntu has a ‘hidden’ install option in “Add/Remove Application”: searching for “extra” or “mp3″ gets you “Ubuntu Restricted Extras”. Which will install a bunch of codecs (amongst which is MP3) and a bunch of video codecs, java and stuff.
Not all bad…
The only thing I found that isn’t working 100% is wireless after coming back from suspend/hibernation. Sometimes the NetworkManager will eat up 100% cpu cycles, and killing it and restarting is the only option to keep my lappie connected.
I’m pretty happy with Gutsy so far…

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fold this thread chris  Monday, 29 October 2007 o godz. 1:19 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --1

nice review!!

But i will stick with Mandriva! best one till now!

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fold this thread Frank  Sunday, 4 November 2007 o godz. 12:07 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Ubuntu might be OK for a standard ‘no frills’ user, but I cannot even get past the install!

I am a computer literate (since 1983!) and run 3 hard disks and two screens on the same machine. I cleared one disk’s partition ready to install Ubuntu. Upon the ‘guided’ install screen (this after several restarts and blank screens), I get presented with three disks. Too bad that two have the same size, so which is which? Back to windows to check the partition sizes.

Now that I know which one to go for, suddenly the order of the disks had changed. The bootable Windows disk (which used to be disk 3) is now disk 1. Suspicious!! So back to windows to double check.

Another Ubuntu boot. Do I want import from Administrator and my Windows user name? Yes – tick, tick.

Enter my username and a password. So used to Windows, so…

Nope! Username needs to be without any capitals.

OK. New username. No not accepted. Reboot (as in select ‘restart’. No go whatsoever. Need to turn power switch off/on).

Having been burned once, I get to the username again and try a single word username (no caps, nothing fancy). Password is a 5 letter lower case common word. No luck. Username needs to be in lowercase (!) and I’m no allowed to enter an “empty password” (of seven lowercase letters!!). CTRL ALT DEL – select restart. Nothing happens (does anyone remember the game ‘Adventure’?).

So out goes the 700MB download CD, in goes a Ubuntu aversion and as much as I hate windows, it’s ‘nice to be back’.

FF

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fold this thread Ronin  Wednesday, 14 November 2007 o godz. 5:03 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

First let me say you had a nice write up and your English is better than most Americans.

I am new to Linux (Kubuntu 7.10). The OS loads quickly, has nice eye candy, but comes with it’s own set of headaches.

Issues:

Wireless connection with a rt61. Finally works after changing drivers to seamonkey.

Wireless does not start on startup. There seems to be a complicated workaround that I have yet to try.

Shutdown hangs when connected to the internet. Still haven’t solved this one.

Overall, I can live with installing new drivers, but a simple shutdown should be automatic.

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fold this thread Jim  Wednesday, 16 January 2008 o godz. 7:28 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

For wireless access, I installed Wifi Radar. It’s works flawlessly with my broadcom wifi card in my laptop. I have an Acer 2310. I’m still tweaking, but so far, this distro smokes Vista.

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