What’s coming in Ubuntu 8.10?

[ Wednesday, 3 September 2008, admin ]

There are only two months left for the new Ubuntu release to appear. I’ve decided to check out what is it that the Ubuntu developers have been preparing for us. Yet again, there are no huge, revolutionary changes, but some of them are really interesting. I’ve decided to write a few words about them.

You can track information about upcoming changes on Launchpad and Ubuntu.com web-site. The second one gives only a little bit of information — just about planned software updates. So, Alpha 4 has a new version of X.org server and Linux kernel. There is also a new Network Manager. It has one of my long waited features, namely 3G network support. Of course there are no big problems with establishing this kinds of connections nowadays on Ubuntu, but the developers are promising to make this process even faster and a lot easier. Currently all the things needed to establish a 3G connections, like APN or password need to be typed by the user. Average user might get lost during the configuration. The autoconfig features of new Network Manager promis to change this. Other functionalities include things like:

  • you don’t have to log in to connect (this is also of of the most requested features),
  • PPP and PPPOE connections management,
  • management of many active devices.

Guests, guests

There’s been a guest account introduced. I think that it is really a great solution (also when it comes to security). First of all we cannot trust anyone that much, to give him (or her) the access to our files (just imagine what would happen if someone found out about your world domination plans…). What’s more we can just simply save our passwords and logins while using a web browser — there will be no possibility that our friend will log into our mail account and do nasty stuff. Guests have almost no rights — they have no access to other users’ files and they cannot save any files pernamently (guest’s directory is temporary).

Private and encrypted directory

Another nice thing in the upcoming Ubuntu release is a new private directory (~/Private). Other users have no access to it (chmod 700). But the really cool part is that it is encrypted! Currently on alpha stage, in order to obtain this feature you have to execute only three simple commands:

sudo apt-get install ecryptfs-utils auth-client-config
sudo auth-client-config -p ecryptfs_standard \\
 -t pam-auth,pam-session,pam-password

I hope that in the final version this will be set by default.


After many upgrades our system often looks like a real mess — we have many spare packages, old kernels etc. In new Ubuntu a cleaner has been summoned to fix those for you. It will clean all the post-upgrades mess automatically keeping your computer filesystem tidy.

Installation from USB

At last easy and comfortable Ubuntu installation from pendrives is possible. It is another weapon in our hands — usually we don’t have a Linux CD in our pocket, it is simply to big to fit. A little USB stick makes it way easier and it is way faster, too.

Faster start

It takes only a few seconds for the newest KDE to reach a fully operational stage couting from the login screen till you can use it. As for GNOME in Ubuntu, it needs more time. But none of us like to wait, so developers want to make the boot time as short as it is possible (by updating scripts, leaving unnecessary things etc.).

New installer’s look

Ubuntu installer (which hasn’t been updated since the very beginning of the system) now finally will be redesigned. No details of those changes have emerged, yet, though. While installing Alpha 4, I haven’t noticed any differences between the new installer and the old one.

Automatic installation of the drivers

In its present version Ubuntu can pick the best drivers for graphic cards and some wireless devices, and when it is needed it can download and install drivers automatically. In the new version printer drivers will be added. I will not elaborate on advantages — they are obvious ;)

GUI for fonconfig edition

As for now to make use of fontconfig settings we have to manually modify the configuration file. It is to be changed. A comfortable GUI will allow us to change our fonts settings in GNOME. It is useful especially when many users work on one computer.

Tabs in Nautilus

YES! At last! Many have been awaiting these feature for ages! We can now browse content in Nautilus using tabs.

Fast application search in Synaptic

A very useful feature. Simply type what you’re searching for (e.g. “audio”) and the results will appear in a moment. You don’t even need to press the Enter key :)

Other changes

Some other changes include: BIOS Software RAID/FakeRAID support, better Flash support, faster installation from DVD, PackageKit integration, better power management, improvements in spell checking and menu structure. Of course this is not a complete list, but I think that all those listed changes are really important for average users.

It is worth mentioning that a well known problem with killing hard disks due to incorrect manufacturers’ setings has not been solved. Also not all multimedia keys work out of the box. I had to configure them using System → Preferences → Keyboard Shortcuts. The default looks changed a little bit (in the right directon!), but it will be redesigned again for stable version.

Is it really worth trying now?

Is it worth migrating to the new Ubuntu version just now? Well, if you like to take risk, just do it. I have used the Alpha version for testing purposes only. Most things are not ready just yet and the system is not as stable like Hardy, which is obvious. The stable release is planned for October 30th so I think it is worth to wait a little bit more.

If you only need the 3G network support there is an option to use it in Ubuntu 8.04. It is enough to add those repositories:

deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ubuntu hardy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ubuntu hardy main

to your /etc/apt/sources.list file… and upgrade your system. Good luck and tell us about your experiences with the latest Alpha!

For the international readers, here is the Polish original of this article: Co nowego w Ubuntu 8.10? and here is an Arabic translation: ماذا ستقدم أوبنتو 8.10 ؟


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fold this thread kostasan  Wednesday, 3 September 2008 o godz. 9:31 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Driver configuration was already very very easy(you had to do NOTHING if the driver was included and A LOT where!) and now it will even download them automatically from the Internet??? It can’t get any easier! Ubuntu rocks!!
Can vista beat this ease of use?? No way.

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fold this thread David Pazstern  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 3:17 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --19

Windows is better in many ways, a point in example:

1. Installed Ubuntu 8.04 last night onto my Dad’s PC

2. It screwed up the display (has black borders of around 1/2″ around the actual desktop). Default resolution is 1024*768 – I tried to change it to 1280*1024 (which is supported in Windows and works fine) and nothing but a black screen. Now in my father’s case, he is using a Microsoft natural keyboard, and none of the function keys work in an environment outside of windows, so I could not go to another terminal and kill X and modify the xorg.conf file. Now, what is my point here? In Windows, it would *warn* you that it was not possible, just not make the changes, have the display die and screw you over.

Linux is still VERY VERY VERY weak here. Don’t even get me started on X, I had nothing but problems getting a Samsung 245T 24″ widescreen LCD with a Nvidia 8800 GT card working on Ubuntu (and then Debian). Windows was far, far, far, far easier.

So, don’t give me that Linux one eyed BS please (that it’s easier than Windows). I ain’t buying it. Most of the modern computing world aren’t buying it either.

I’ve been using Linux on/off from 1997, and used it ONLY from 2001-2006, so I have some idea of what I’m talking about – I’m not bashing Linux just for the fun of it, or because I’m a “pro Microsoft lover”.


fold this thread BeCe  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 7:48 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +5

Hi, Dave!
If you’re really Linux users for all those years, you should know by now that Ubuntu comes with “recovery mode” option in Grub. You can also simply use Ubuntu installation CD (which is a LiveCD as you know), the same way you do when you’re using Windows XP. Every OS can break from time to time when you mess with him. XP does it too.

fold this thread David Pastern  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 11:27 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --6

Well, I’m new to Ubuntu (I really prefer Debian to be entirely honest), so the recovery mode is news to me. I can’t say I noticed it when booting up my dad’s PC though…I’ll have another look tonight. Yes, I could boot off the live CD, but that wasn’t my point – my point was that Ubuntu didn’t even warn you that it wasn’t possible, just went and did it, screwed up X and left me with a blank screen. I can guarantee that the average newbie would go **** this P.O.S and throw it away and go back to Windows. I know how to fix it, it isn’t hard, but it is annoying – even Windows 95 would have warned you when you tried to select a screen mode that wasn’t possible with the hardware (or simply make it unselectable), why can’t Linux do this?

It’s little things like that that really mean Linux will never become en masse, it’s simply too fiddly and difficult for your average user. I work all day in IT support – trust me, your average user is NOT ready for Linux, even Ubuntu. Hell, they have enough problems with Windows!

I’ve personally found XP (especially SP2) to be quite robust and stable. I currently use Vista Ultimate as my O/S of choice and I’m extremely happy with it. BTW, I also have a Mac (spent 15 months or so working for Apple Australia’s tech support section several years ago), so I’m certainly not O/S shy.

Thanks for the reply though.


fold this thread Sven  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 12:59 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1


sorry David, but in most cases the problem sit in front
of the keyboard, and it don’t help to blaim the OS.
It is really easy to bring linux and windows in
an unusable state.
My windows friends simply
don’t even try to fix their windows settings, they just make
fresh installs or using these disk image programs which
are so popular in the windows world.
I haven’t installed my desktop pc for
years now.

best regards

fold this thread David Pastern  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 6:32 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --6

BS. Like most Linux lovers, you simply cannot accept the fact there are issues with Linux, major issues in many areas. Since Linux users refuse to acknowledge these issues, it will NEVER improve. Your own attitude of reluctance to accept criticism on the operating system, by blaming the end user is insulting.

Thanks to Mark re: the keyboard – remember, this is my father’s PC I’m talking about. I’ve never used a Microsoft keyboard before, and don’t intend to. A standard PC105 without all the fancy BS keys does me just fine :-)

This is why I really don’t use Linux that much these days, and generally don’t bother wasting my time with the “community”. It isn’t a community, it’s a big bully circus that mods down anyone who dares criticise Linux. I don’t really have that much time for BS like that, so this will be my last post here.


fold this thread Avid Ubuntu User  Monday, 8 September 2008 o godz. 5:40 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

Dave, the crying rivers of windows fanboys is unrelenting.

If you knew anything about Ubuntu you’d know that Ubuntu has had a default “safe mode” for video for over a year now.

Just because it didn’t work with YOUR particular monitor in YOUR particular setup, does not mean that it doesn’t work everywhere else for everyone else. For every instance you can demonstrate where Ubuntu’s “safe mode” video doesn’t work I’m sure there are 10,000,000 more instances where windows default video mode would not work, or would bluescreen on a video driver.

So do us all a favor and next time do some freaking research. When was the last time you had a problem with windows or macos and just said fuckit I give up?

A quick google search would have yielded you the answer.

If you scroll down a bit you’ll see that all that is needed is to run “sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg” without quotes in a terminal and that should set Xorg to redetect the monitor and video card and apply the default settings.

And speaking of criticism, you would do well to look in the mirror as you clearly made NO attempt to figure out how to fix your problem and just decided to criticize Linux instead.

fold this thread Dan  Thursday, 25 September 2008 o godz. 5:50 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I’ve been reading along here from the top of the comments. And maybe I missed the point here but I feel like adding my two cents.

If I were the non-average Windows user who didn’t know how to find answers to my problems via the web browser; then I’d say he wouldn’t know about the latest feature in Ubuntu unless he read every install readme file and knew where to look for answers on the web.

Even in my line of work, some days I feel like the hare in the race against the tortoise. There are some really slow learning people out there, who’ve I got to say (under my breath), “Well, bless your heart.” [A case of ID10.t]

Instead of yelling at them to catchup, I got to remember my days on a 486 PC with Windows 3.1 and even before some younger folks’ time, I luckily got to work on my Dad’s Digital computer with tape drives to load to just start the “DOS” command prompt.

I can still smell the white plastic chassis and black trim without having it here.

fold this thread forbzie  Friday, 10 October 2008 o godz. 9:24 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I agree with Dave.

Linux is great and free! but most linux users cant accept it when something goes wrong with linux. I also work in IT and have used Linux / Windows on and off for several years.

Windows XP SP2 has a more stable graphical environment and its faster too. Linux will crash if you run too many X windows apps at once. I also agree with the point he makes about the graphics not working. I have had endless problems with linux not picking up the graphics card, indeed i have managed to fix these issues via google and forums fairly easy but the point is: with windows, you just point click, then click Next and its done. In linux, you have to edit config files and restart X server etc… when no average gives a s*** about all that. Users just like it simple and dont have to time to recompile and edit files all day.

That said, i still use ubuntu but mostly vista now.

fold this thread Mark  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 3:58 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

Now in my father’s case, he is using a Microsoft natural keyboard, and none of the function keys work in an environment outside of windows

My girlfriend also has the natural keyboard by microsoft, the new black one. she was using the older white ’98 edition until a few months back. they both work with Linux, Mac, even DOS just fine. What you’ll find is that unless you’ve pre-configured the keyboard not to use the Fn key, you’ll need to press it to activate the key before the Function keys will work. this is the same for a lot of the Fn enabled keyboards these days, however microsoft’s at least have Fn working in reverse.

So, hit Fn (or hold it down if it doens’t have a LED) and press your F1 key to change to console. Simple really, you’d have to do that if you were not using XP/Vista. Even says in the little booklet and on the video safty/driver cd that came with it.

Good luck with the monitors, I assume you have fixed it. Again I’m going to assume its a issue with the hardware then Linux. I had problems usins a view sonic monitor with a dodgy vga >dvi adapter. It wasn’t sending the data properly and Linux just assumed it was a plug in and play. However, I knew it worked fine as it was working for a year or so before.

fold this thread Review_again  Saturday, 25 October 2008 o godz. 11:25 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I have been using Linux on and off for a few years. I use windows xp and Ubuntu on a dual-boot. I like both. I would probably switch entirely to the Linux OS if the graphical driver issues were resolved. It is a little disconcerting that I cannot use the best graphics available in Ubuntu because I seem unable to find the correct driver for my Nvidia system. No problems with Windows XP or even Vista. This should be the very first fix …… no doubt!

fold this thread Toosmoky  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 11:15 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +8

What you forget is that people usually buy their first computers with Windows pre-installed.

Imagine if newbies had to install XP before they could use it.

“I’ve typed in the serial number in capitals like it is on the box but it won’t accept it.”

“What’s a driver? How do I find that? C-what?”

In the end, they’ve got an 800 x 600 screen running at 60Hz which is OK if you have an 800 x 600 LCD. EeePC owners, take a bow.

They may or may not have sound or other drivers. If they are aware they have to install drivers, they’ll probably use outdated ones from the installation CD.

Most are unaware of the need to update anti-virus programs and will never use the Windows Update button because they “don’t want to pay for a new version”.

Imagine an average numpty who bought and used computers preinstalled with Ubuntu for a few years, trying to install a free copy of XP he got on a magazine cover…


You get good at linux the same way that you got good at Windows. Google and the right keywords.

Non-enthusiasts get given a computer, get shown how to do stuff and do stuff as they were shown.

Me, I’m running an XP/Ubuntu AMD64 on an nVidia fakeRAID0 array, using 2 7600GTs in SLI feeding a 24″ Dell.

I’m not one for OS wars myself. I dual-boot because I can. I like linux for some stuff and I like Windows for some stuff. I’m sure I could quite easily like Mac for some stuff too.

Hell, I loved BeOS5…

fold this thread Jeffersonian  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 4:22 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I am a big Linux fan, and do agree with you.
Linux is much better than it was.
Recently I updated Ubuntu… and could not boot in graphic mode.
Ubuntu promises to enhance this, but every single version of Linux that I used had Video Driver update problems.

This is a bit distressing, indeed.
The drivers problems (especially video & wifi) are still not at the level of functionality of Windows yet.
KDE4.x and its fully integrated GUI desktop may help there?
But of course the Linux Drivers need to be written too,

fold this thread David Pastern  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 6:27 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Oh yeah, Linux is far better than it used to be. No question about it. Ubuntu does make life a lot easier, and it is now reasonably well polished. There are some things though that really need to be better developed. I also have some philosophical issues with Linux as well, which seem to upset many Linux users.


fold this thread Jacob Henderson  Sunday, 7 September 2008 o godz. 6:30 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

I think the usability problems with linux are due to an inherent bias in the linux community- we know how to fix a problem, so why should we spend the time to script some process to help out newbies when it happens, like Windows does? Most linux users are either power users or are sick of the lack of customizability that comes with Windows. Either way, these users are typically intelligent enough to handle an issue, so no emphasis is put on developing a user-friendly system to baby-step new users through it. If the Linux community wishes to expand, then there will have to be more distros developed that do the Windows babying. Until then, average people will find Windows easier to use. So I have to somewhat agree with Dave here on some of this.


fold this thread Ryan  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 3:23 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Well, my company just bought me a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Pi2512 which came pre-installed with Vista. It took about a week for my dislike of Windows to lead me to install Ubuntu in VMWare. Then, following blue-screen after blue-screen after bluescreen whenever I tried to transfer large files over ethernet I just scrapped Vista and installed Ubuntu 8.04. The only thing that didn’t work out the box was the wireless. A quick download of the latest Atheros drivers and wireless worked as well. Since then I have had zero crashes and I have sat back and noticed actually how fucking fast my new laptop is. Under Vista I was underwhelmed at its performance.

My wife is in the process of pulling her hair at how slow Vista is. She has also caused some mayhem at her place of work because Outlook (LookOut!) sent a fairly large em

fold this thread Ryan  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 3:32 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +4

Well, my company just bought me a Fujitsu-Siemens Amilo Pi2512 which came pre-installed with Vista. It took about a week for my dislike of Windows to lead me to install Ubuntu in VMWare (I’d immediately fire up VMWare and log in to Ubuntu.)

Then, following blue-screen after blue-screen after bluescreen whenever I tried to transfer large files over ethernet (from Vista or the Ubuntu VM) I just scrapped Vista and installed Ubuntu 8.04. The only thing that didn’t work out the box was the wireless. A quick download of the latest Atheros drivers and wireless worked as well. Since then I have had zero crashes and I have sat back and noticed actually how fucking fast my new laptop is. Under Vista I was underwhelmed at its performance.

My wife is in the process of pulling her hair at how slow Vista is. She has also caused some mayhem at her place of work because Outlook (LookOut!) sent a fairly large email thousands of times to colleagues. The email just got stuck in her out Outbox and didn’t get unstuck until it was deleted.

Yeah, so my experience with both Linux and Windows is somewhat different to yours.

It is refreshing to see how much Linux has improved over the years and how well the Kernel developers respond to an ever increasing array of drivers they have to support.

Sure, there is much need of improvement in many areas and the vast majority of Linux users are quite open about this. In my opinion ardent Linux supporters are mostly vocal about the trade-off they have made: a slightly steeper learning curve and a requirement to actually get to grips with drivers, etc., in exchange for a system that is one heck of a lot more stable and better performing than a Windows system.

fold this thread Gilberto Martins  Wednesday, 10 September 2008 o godz. 3:41 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Of course, we will not make a river roll back with words only. That’s exactly your case.
You say you are a linux user. I am a FreeBSD, Solaris and Linux user for the last 8 years, but mostly an Linux user. A little different from you, I do not blame the ones I do not use so frequently. And I guess you do not use Linux that frequently, mr David.
I guess we have the same bad experience: I had terrible moments with Windows 9x, bad times with NT series, headaches with XP, although 2003 was really different of all I saw before with Microsoft. Unfortunatelly, My HP multifunctional does not work flawlessly with it. My friends sony mobile either. Both did not wrote drivers to W2003. Lots of softwares did not worked fine in 2003, especially lots of mandatory (???) antivirus. Yeah, even the good 2003 is not far from MS course, wich is virus. Interesting, None of the SO I deal with have this headache. Pay attention, I am not speaking of EVERY MALWARE, but just virus. Not to mention the tons of worms dedicated to Windows only. But you know this, ’cause you worked to a fantastic OS, OSX.
Yes, there is a problem: a blind who can see. Linux is not perfect, none is. Each one grows in its own time. Windows is cool, as Linux also. Both has troubles. Why not cooperate sending the problems to help developers to fix them ?

Better than reading your cryings.

fold this thread scape  Monday, 15 September 2008 o godz. 1:29 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

I agree w/Dave, Ubuntu is not as simple nor easy as XP. I have been on and off for a few years now, and I just can never justify typing in commands when other OS’s have an easier alternative– ie: buttons and menus.
I think integrating help and info bubbles to manuals and online updated documents would be a start (and not necessarily a link to a webpage), but the overall ease of use has a long way to go to ever reach the community of people stuck between the two giants…

fold this thread KRiSX  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 1:43 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --3

hate to burst your bubble… but vista can download drivers automatically from the net too…

in fact… when i used to have a nokia phone… it even downloaded the whole nokia suite for me… so if anything ubuntu is catching up… which is fantastic!

fold this thread rusty b'dos  Sunday, 26 October 2008 o godz. 11:42 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

all the way buddy vista sucks, and if you think of the great package u get u harly believe its free! and with more stable versions of wine hq coming out i think we could ditch most of microsoft. office ’07 is decent anyway
thats my opinion

fold this thread gis  Thursday, 4 September 2008 o godz. 12:26 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --4

Upgrade to new network manager didn’t work. It broke my existing manager and wifi. Not sure how to restore/repair this.

Could you help please?

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fold this thread Yfrwlf  Thursday, 4 September 2008 o godz. 5:56 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --4

You could try removing those repository URLs that you added, and then do an upgrade to the network manager package to try to install the old one again.

fold this thread ak  Thursday, 4 September 2008 o godz. 12:49 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

-hope they fix hardy freeze issues :

- also nautilus really needs file names truncation feature and fixed layout more than tabs

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fold this thread gis  Thursday, 4 September 2008 o godz. 8:16 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --4

its WPA2-PSK that doesn’t seem to work as before…

Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: Config: added ‘ssid’ value ‘blahblah’
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: Config: added ‘scan_ssid’ value ’1′
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: Config: added ‘key_mgmt’ value ‘WPA-PSK’
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: Config: added ‘psk’ value ”
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: Config: added ‘proto’ value ‘WPA RSN’
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: Config: added ‘pairwise’ value ‘TKIP CCMP’
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: Config: added ‘group’ value ‘WEP40 WEP104 TKIP CCMP’
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: Activation (wlan0) Stage 2 of 5 (Device Configure) complete.
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: Config: set interface ap_scan to 1
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 2 -> 0
Sep 4 20:48:24 lab NetworkManager: (wlan0): supplicant connection state change: 0 -> 2
Sep 4 20:48:28 lab dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 6
Sep 4 20:48:34 lab dhclient: DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to port 67 interval 12
Sep 4 20:48:39 lab NetworkManager: wlan0: link timed out.
Sep 4 20:48:59 lab avahi-daemon[5367]: Joining mDNS multicast group on interface wlan0.IPv4 with address
Sep 4 20:48:59 lab avahi-daemon[5367]: New relevant interface wlan0.IPv4 for mDNS.
Sep 4 20:48:59 lab avahi-daemon[5367]: Registering new address record for on wlan0.IPv4.
Sep 4 20:48:59 lab avahi-autoipd(wlan0)[7143]: client: RTNETLINK answers: Cannot assign requested address
Sep 4 20:48:59 lab avahi-autoipd(wlan0)[7143]: Script execution failed with return value 2
Sep 4 20:48:59 lab dhclient: bound: renewal in 20241 seconds.
Sep 4 20:49:04 lab NetworkManager: wlan0: link timed out.

something must have changed in wpa_supplicant… :-(

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fold this thread Neil  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 6:57 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --3

I have not installed it on my new PC as I have an ati 4850, any word on 8.10 and the 4850?

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fold this thread C2H5OH  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 11:06 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

Another nice thing in the upcoming Ubuntu release is a new private directory (~/Private). Other users have no access to it (chroot 700).

I think you meant chmod 700 instead of chroot.

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fold this thread Carlo  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 12:05 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

I have a Nvidia 8500GT and sites who hava flash are so slow to watch or to navigate onto them. So how can Ubuntu improve the flash plugin?

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fold this thread Mark  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 4:02 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

So how can Ubuntu improve the flash plugin?

The default flash plugin that comes with ubuntu is a free opensource version. to get best performance you’re going to have to visit adobe’s flash page and download the flash for linux and install that.

fold this thread Carlo  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 6:31 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

How this is possible? The name of file is flashplayer-nonfree. I’m wans’t speaking about the Gnash, this is open source and doesn’t work fine until now.

fold this thread Apogee  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 7:24 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0


What Marks say is that Ubuntu is now comming with gNash as default and you need to download Adobe version to have “best performance” (what means everything working).

I am not sure if it is “better Flash support”..

fold this thread Gesslar  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 7:36 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

A little proofreading and spellchecking would have been appreciated. :( Alfa?

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fold this thread Carlos  Friday, 5 September 2008 o godz. 7:48 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --6

Im a Ubuntu Fanboy and I have been using linux about a year now.

I also agree with Dave whole heartedly, if you want to do more than surf and email then

stay the hell away from linux…

Because you will run into problems, they can be fixed, but it takes time effort and willingness to learn even a little.

Stick with it and you will be rewarded with an OS that just keeps getting better. I’ve never touched Vista and if linux keeps the progress up, I guess I never will.

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fold this thread David Masson  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 1:04 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +3

I really don’t think that Carlos knows what he is talking about. I have used Linux since 2003, used it at work the past couple of years, and have had no problem with display drivers from nvidia. Also, Carlos, have you had any experience with Linux, Ubuntu precisely… drivers are installed automaticly, printer installation is a snap, and plugins are detected and installed in Firefox automaticly. I don’t have an freaking clue what you mean by ” if you want to do more than surf and email then stay the hell away from linux…” In fact that is exactly what netbooks are for and they are selling like hot cakes, Linux versions included.

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fold this thread Carlo  Monday, 8 September 2008 o godz. 11:51 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

My disappoint with linux is about flash plugin support. Sites like youtube are too slow. And I don’t saw any improvement in ubuntu 8.10 with flash. The flash web sites still in slow.

fold this thread Jngoi  Monday, 8 September 2008 o godz. 2:17 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +2

I run Ubuntu 8.04 on an eee pc 701, 4G SSD with 2G RAM running at 630 Mghz. I am in a third world country with a slow DSL speed and was a sole windows user up until a couple of months ago.In my device, youtube runs fine although at times it is slow because my download speed slows down to an ultra low of less 800+ Bps not Kbps but bytes, but I get a max of 60 Kbps when it’s off peak. No problem with playing vids online with my Ubuntu. Did I mention I am a newbie to Linux? maybe I just got lucky with my setup.

fold this thread Jalada  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 2:49 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  error

From other articles I’ve seen, Ubuntu 8.10 has a different theme – a dark theme. Yet your screenshots do not show this. Have they ditched the dark theme (I hope so, I didn’t like the look of it!), or is it just the way that you installed it/your settings?

Otherwise, thanks for the interesting article, the new features you describe sound useful – mobile broadband, guest accounts, in particular.

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fold this thread Jeremy Bicha  Monday, 8 September 2008 o godz. 4:16 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

The dark theme is the default; however, the traditional theme from Hardy is still available. The dark theme doesn’t look right on many webpages in Firefox. Fortunately, KDE4.1 is usable enough for me now (it still has some weaknesses though) that I don’t have to worry about the dark theme issue.

fold this thread David  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 3:56 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  --2

And what about SOUND?
Gazillions of sound servers, not even working properly because if you want to use one (and you’ll have to choose wisely depending on what applications you use) you have to recompile the kernel to allow real time execution. What a fuck-up.

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fold this thread Tweenk  Tuesday, 9 September 2008 o godz. 11:43 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

1. To get the RT kernel just install the linux-rt package. No compiling required.
2. Realtime execution is not required for a sound server to work properly. Mas OS X is not a realtime OS and yet its CoreAudio sound server works well.
3. There are just 2 sound servers in wide use: Jack for professional applications and PulseAudio for everything else.

fold this thread thuper  Saturday, 6 September 2008 o godz. 6:52 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Are we getting pulseaudio with kde though?

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fold this thread Erwin  Wednesday, 10 September 2008 o godz. 12:48 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

Whats all the fuss? I’ve got several dual boot PCs, UMPCs and notebooks on XP and Ubuntu and they work perfectly fine. Ubuntu almost works out of the box and the interface is much more pleasing to the eye. Faster too esp on an old box. Not sure if it works well on equipment which needs drivers it does not have though… Used to have a problem with wireless, tearing my hair on ndiswrapper but with 8.04, I was happy to find out that it worked out of the box with my linksys wireless client. So why do I keep my XP? To play the latest games :)
If not, ubuntu has everything i need.

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fold this thread ludovyk  Wednesday, 10 September 2008 o godz. 3:22 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Big baby next time try wubi-installer.org/ first. before your crie.

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fold this thread slash  Sunday, 21 September 2008 o godz. 12:11 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

The russian non-professional translate: http://linsovet.com/content/whats-new-in-ubuntu-810

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fold this thread Eats Wombats  Wednesday, 24 September 2008 o godz. 8:10 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

Thanks for the write-up.

As a new-ish Ubuntu user I’m sufficiently happy with it to have resolved not to give Microsoft any more money and to learn more linux.

I like Ubuntu and I like the way that it’s improving like clockwork (unlike any Microsoft OS).

At one time its lack of good wireless support was a showstopper for me on laptops. That has been fixed.

The two remaining areas which seem worthy of attention to me are: screen detection and adjustment and the default theme (is truly horrible; debian looks much better).

I’m hoping 8.10 will solve some problems I have with a system now that installs ok but resets the video later to a lower resolution.

FWIW my last update on Vista to an updated ATI Catalyst driver offered via Windows Update screwed up my display so badly I had to revert to a backup (reverting to the previous driver didn’t resolve). Nor was it the first time I’ve experienced Windows Update screwing things up.

I’d very much like to see an Ubuntu Home Server capable of rsync backup of clients, acting as a firewall, web server, print server, music server, shared storage etc., eventually all running on ZFS (which would make rsync unnecessary?!). It seems that there was a project to do this with Ubuntu (ubuntuhomserver.org) but it died and has been recincarnated at http://www.satega.org, but the reincarnation isn’t going anywhere fast. Unfortunately, I’m not able to help, but this is a plug for anyone who is.

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fold this thread Ian Hutchinson  Saturday, 4 October 2008 o godz. 5:20 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  error

I just hope they’ve sorted Pulseaudio in this version. There was all sorts of problems with it when upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 which lead me to having to reinstall the whole system.

Even so, theres problems getting apps like Skype to work and theres problems with Flash which really wont be easy for folks new to Linux to sort out.

Guys like me love their music, so its kind of a turnoff to have to sort all the issues though. Nonetheless, I love Ubuntu and I’ve been using it since March/April this year :D

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fold this thread Francis  Friday, 10 October 2008 o godz. 3:28 am #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

The thing that most people forget is that Ubuntu and Linux in general are all doing an incredible job of making it work in hardware that was not designed for it. Hardware vendors are sure not helping out in making linux compatible. Windows will work 98% of the time in a Windows compatible hardware, now try to put Windows in a non-Windows certified hardware (like Mac hardware) then I’m sure these users will all be pulling their hair trying to make Windows work.

I love Ubuntu, but unfortunately for average users, it does take a lot of tinkering to make it work just right. However, I’ve seen how quickly Ubuntu (started with 6.06) has evolved to make it more easier to adapt to a new machine.

And remember, all this for free.

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fold this thread Jose  Saturday, 15 November 2008 o godz. 8:29 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +1

I remember when I first got into Ubuntu. Man… I’ve never read so many forums in my life. I spent about a week reading forums trying to find solutions to all kinds of problems I ran into, from installation to graphics to sound to connections, to installing programs etc. At least I know how to search the web for solutions, but most people don’t, and most don’t even have the time or motivation to do it. Finally I had enought of that bullshit and switched back to XP.

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fold this thread arabdude  Wednesday, 19 November 2008 o godz. 7:49 pm #  Add karma Subtract karma  +0

well let me give you my 2 cents, iam 3d artist and been working under windows for a long time…since zbrush came out i had many crashes under xp and i figured why not try Linux put my software on it do my work when done switch back ..so i downloaded Ubuntu..from the start my graphic card didn’t work so i spent 6 hours reading forums posting on forums etc and this what it came down 2..fuck linux and fuck everyone that tells you its easy blah blah …
1)the linux community sucks, i posted my simple issue on the ubuntu forum and i got 476 views and one answer (have you tried to run the live cd in safe mode ?) REALLY.
2)the solution to my problem was using Xubuntu with sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg which until now i have no idea what it means so i really don’t understand the part about Linux for human beings because its not ..
3)now try installing maya..yep it wont install …solution
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=66859 6 pages of scripts,apps and workarounds which you could have done with 6 clicks in windows.so after all of that i just gave up i had 7 post on the ubuntu forums with no answers even to simple things like why the fk don’t i have audio..but that was 2 years ago..why am i typing this then.
well i was working on this project and it crashed and the file is dead and if you have ever done any 3d you know how much time and effort that takes,so i got very angry and went to the MAC site but i couldn’t get my self to get MAC(way to much money for a brand) so i started looking online for solutions and i came across something called pclinuxos which is Linux distro but with windows similarities, i was so excited that backed up my data re sized my drive portioned and installed and what do you know, it wont boot up just stops half way through. so i went to their forums signed up and guess what you cant use their forums after you sign up NO , YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO GET VERIFIED..wtf…and again 234 view and one reply(disable legacy…WHAT) so i went ahead and tried that and it didn’t work, i had to read forums all night and post on forums to the get the solution and after all that i got it to install just to get stuck trying to install java(errors..go root then get blah blah ..finally got it to work ..so whats next…nothing i was happy i restarted and went to make a cup of tea, came back loged in and now i have a black screen with 2 blue dots in it so iam not even going to bother…
long story short i agree with all the people that said Linux is harder than many people think with almost no community support and a lack of everything(software,support, and not even compatibility with hardware..) so yes i agree with dave don’t listen to Linux fans when they its easy and better because its not…and before you do anything with Linux ask your self this (do you know how to use cmd in windows to do everything you do with a mouse?do you know what any of this is: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg) if the answer is no then don’t even think about Linux…anyway iam going to go and install windows xp back on..

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